Posted on May 14, 2015
SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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I was looking at both the Army and Marine method of combat pistol. To be quite frank I think the Marines have a better handle on this. What so you think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU17hG4zZvw
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SPC Tommy Faircloth
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Based off this video, the marines do not have it. I almost had a fucking stroke watching how bad their habits are. First, why are they all turning their pistol to the side to drop the magazine? Way to flag anyone that’s next to you. Second, what’s up with that shitty racking the slide with two fingers technique? Not only is that impractical but it is ineffective. Instead of going under the whole gun, grab the grooves from the top.
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SSgt Aircraft Electronic Countermeasures Systems Technician, Helicopter, IMA
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That “shitty racking the slide technique” isn’t rackingthe slide at all it’s checking for a chambered round. And it’s stupid, because there is a loaded chamber indicator at the rear of the barrel on an m9.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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OK, two questions. Why is the first shooter placing his firing hand over the slide at the end of the drill and why are they dropping the mag and then putting it back in? Are they putting the gun on safe with their firing hand?
Other than that, I taught my wife to shoot this way.
Yes, I agree, the situational awareness drill is probably overblown.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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I think that's checking for a round in chamber and reset / re-seat the mag, perhaps checking load.
I have always safe with my firing hand
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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He didn't appear to be racking the slide, so I don't think he was checking the chamber. I always set the safety with my firing hand too (on pistols that have manual safeties), but that doesn't require you to reach over the slide and I personally have never seen it taught that way. If people were shooting at me and I was worried about how many I had in the mag, I would have dropped that mag and loaded a new one, which again, is how I was taught.
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Cpl Squad Leader
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Although not perfect, this is a lot better then what we, the Marines, had prior to the CPP. Changing from a bullseye target to a body simulated target was a great improvement.
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PO2 Skip Kirkwood
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WHAT is with the re-holstering drill? If you're in a firefight and have been shooting pistol, you re-holster to do something else (and not necessary to have a cup of coffee). Re-holstering should be completed after executing a tactical reload, WITHOUT looking at the pistol or the holster! Eyes up and on potential hazards!
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MAJ Military Police
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I have served in both as an enlisted Marine and an Army officer. I would have to say that Marines on the average are better marksman due to the higher degree of training they receive. This is something I have been trying to fix in the Army at least at my level with the Soldiers in my unit.
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SSG Will Phillips
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This appears to be a range qualifier instead of a tactical close quarters combat drill with a handgun. I do not understand why the Weaver stance is still taught as this is not the most stable firing platform. I did notice a lot of bad habits the shooters displayed when presenting their weapon i.e. "bowling & casting" the weapon, and the very poor draw speeds. As someone stated earlier and was correct, the quicker you come out of the holster in a gunfight, you have that instant more to acquire a reasonable sight picture before pressing the trigger.
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SSgt Aircraft Electronic Countermeasures Systems Technician, Helicopter, IMA
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It’s an old video, they only teach isosceles now. Or I should say they teach what Weaver is to encourage you not to do it.
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SSG Will Phillips
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Isosceles is still an unstable firing platform. If you are reacting to threats while in this stance you can be unbalanced very easy. A boxer's stance ie, left or right foot one step forward (from feet shoulder width apart) leaning into the direction of fire, you have a stable shooting platform with stability in all directions. In this stance you still have the ability to ward off threats with your non-shooting hand and still engage your target or targets.
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COL Jeff Williams
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I think both are fine. Unless someone can suggest a way to track combat statistics that take into account every single individual engagement with a pistol or rifle and its outcome
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SSgt Data Systems Chief
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So far, I only know how to shoot the State Dept. way, as a Marine Security Guard. I'll be doing my first Marine Corps pistol qual when I go back to the fleet; until then, I can't say who does it better.
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PO1 Eric Booker
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I've shot with both the AMU and the MMU at matches all over the country. There is no "best" on the whole. Individually, each will have good and poor shooters. Go pull up the results from the national match program at Camp Perry(which is happening right now) and you'll see that they're usually pretty comparable. From year to year one may have a couple of "hot shots" BUT...the AMU is a full time billet so long as you keep your scores up whereas the MMU is a 2-3 year rotation regardless so you can't just "squat" and shoot matches all year long as a career.
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Cpl Bill Johnson
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Of course .
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