Posted on Dec 5, 2015
Command climate...what's the point if nothing changes?
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I've been at this unit for almost a year now. Have done 5 online surveys and 2 "in person" ones with higher headquarters personnel. Morale is down, cohesion is gone, and communication and care for soldiers well being is at its worst. What's the point in doing these surveys and "sensing sessions" if not a single thing that's brought up or complained about has been improved
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SGT- do what you can to enhance morale in your sphere of influence. Focus on your Soldiers and peers. Let them know that, no matter what is going on in your particular unit, there are better experiences in the Army. Look for constructive ways to help your leaders understand what is going on. No real leader I have ever known wants bad morale and cohesion in his/her unit. I doubt your leaders do either. Support them as an NCO and junior leader.
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What many people don't know is that commanders select the questions. That is why many times you notice certain known issues not even come up.
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SGT McBride, I was in a similar situation when I was a Junior NCO. You want nothing more than to motivate your Troops and tell them that "It doesn't matter if they care, I care." or "I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that there's change..." Then at the end of the day, you start to lose your own motivation and tend to not know what to say anymore when some of the decisions being made are so far fetched that you believe they just threw darts at a giant board of bad ideas.
The best thing that you can do as an NCO in these situations is to educate them on the importance of maintaining their military bearing, being resilient, and keeping their heads on the Mission. Secondly, educate your Troops on the importance of answering these surveys (and the others that come from higher) honestly, wholly, and with clear, decisive information that cannot be looked over. While it may be "one more thing" they have to do alongside their multitude of other responsibilities, it's of the upmost importance in a bad climate such as you describe.
I can tell you that if you've had Sensing Sessions and the like, there are already more than likely moves being made in the background; however, these things take time. Maintain that backbone: be the example, know the standards, and do what is right.
The best thing that you can do as an NCO in these situations is to educate them on the importance of maintaining their military bearing, being resilient, and keeping their heads on the Mission. Secondly, educate your Troops on the importance of answering these surveys (and the others that come from higher) honestly, wholly, and with clear, decisive information that cannot be looked over. While it may be "one more thing" they have to do alongside their multitude of other responsibilities, it's of the upmost importance in a bad climate such as you describe.
I can tell you that if you've had Sensing Sessions and the like, there are already more than likely moves being made in the background; however, these things take time. Maintain that backbone: be the example, know the standards, and do what is right.
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Sorry to read that you are buried in paper work. We did not do that back in my day. Every profession seems to be getting buried in paper so there is data to analyze. In many way the computer is the worst thing that ever happened. Gen. Puller said, I paraphrase, you only need an inbox (your right pocket) and an outbox (your left pocket), any more than that and you bury commanders in paperwork. Field Marshall Rommel said something similar, but I don't remember how he put it anymore.
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Sir I couldn't agree more. That is why I have made the decision to get out: I cannot do what I joined the Army to do as long as they have their focus solely on bureaucratic administrative requirements.
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I always do them and am honest with them.
I think that a part of the issue with them is many people don't take them seriously. Troops either don't do them at all or if they do they just speed through it rating everything really high. I think a part of that may be that some people are concerned they might be disciplined for speaking out despite the surveys generally being anonymous. Speak with the people of your unit and try to stress that it is important to take some time and fill them out honestly. Change will only come if enough people push for it. If change still doesn't happen as others have said run it through other sources. If there was that toxic of a situation here I would probably go to the IG if I had exhausted all other resources.
I think that a part of the issue with them is many people don't take them seriously. Troops either don't do them at all or if they do they just speed through it rating everything really high. I think a part of that may be that some people are concerned they might be disciplined for speaking out despite the surveys generally being anonymous. Speak with the people of your unit and try to stress that it is important to take some time and fill them out honestly. Change will only come if enough people push for it. If change still doesn't happen as others have said run it through other sources. If there was that toxic of a situation here I would probably go to the IG if I had exhausted all other resources.
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Our unit has undergone three Command Climate Surveys during my tenure with them. The answers always paint a picture of a unit suffering from low morale and questionable leadership.
Following those surveys, something big always happens. There will be greater efforts by command to focus on the needs of soldiers, an emphasis on family, or just making sure people are released earlier than 1900. For about a week, things seem to improve.
Then they stop. Everything goes back to normal and nothing of significance is accomplished. Then a Command Climate Survey is posted later in the year and the responses are identical.
Following those surveys, something big always happens. There will be greater efforts by command to focus on the needs of soldiers, an emphasis on family, or just making sure people are released earlier than 1900. For about a week, things seem to improve.
Then they stop. Everything goes back to normal and nothing of significance is accomplished. Then a Command Climate Survey is posted later in the year and the responses are identical.
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Change is hard. The fact that you've done that many shows that leadership is aware there is a problem. I can't tell you that things will get better soon but your leadership knows something is wrong and they have found several ways to fix it that haven't worked....yet.
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SGT(P) Daniel McBride
Understandable sir. We all know that mission comes first but and what cost should it be? No morale, no care for families. Nothing
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I can tell you from my own experience that the surveys are taken very seriously by senior leadership. There are many reasons why one may not see change as a direct result of the survey. The first reason is simple math. If not enough people take the survey, the results are deemed "statistically insignificant". In other words, too few people took the survey and the information gained can be skewed to the positive or negative resulting in a false sense of the organization. If ten people are really stoked (or disgruntled) about an organization then they could give the impression that everything is great (or horrible). A second reason is that the survey yielded positive data, but, the few people that are having a negative impression of the organization feel "unheard" because there was no observable change as a result of the survey. A third reason is that things are so bad in the organization that a single (or few) changes would not fix it. This situation can result in senior leadership arguing like politicians about the best way forward. Unfortunately, this stalls the process of change. While there may be many more reasons that I could elaborate on, I would like to get to the "cures". Firstly, as the commander, I provide the results to my entire unit at once during a Commander's Call. If the survey was statistically insignificant, I will let them know at that moment. I will tell them that the results are not visible to me. I would then push them to use their chain of command to communicate any individual issues that could have been missed. If the survey yielded actionable intel, I would point that out as well. Secondly, I would ask my unit to not put too much value in a very positive survey, but to stay vigilant for the outliers (people who, for whatever reason were not "heard" in the survey). Lastly, if the survey yielded negative results, I would inform my troops of the issues and begin open dialogue with each section identified with issues. Finally, I will close with a suggestion. I ask any member who feels under represented to reach out to someone. Guidance and mentoring do not necessarily involve your job. Feelings, emotions, and perceptions can be very powerful. Check with your chaplain, psychological health team, or trusted leader. Feelings of things "not getting better" can lead to a larger problem throughout the unit, when in fact a small percentage of the unit may be working in a "toxic climate". That small percentage of personnel could help the entire unit by "outing" a hidden issue. Thank you for posting this question. As you can probably tell, this is one of my passionate subjects.
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SGT(P) Daniel McBride
Thank you sir. But it breaks my heart to not only see low morale, but that low morale turning into no morale
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Agreed. I would ask you to do what you can at your level to provide a positive environment and help others focus on the mission while you do what is in your power to affect change. I am impressed that you recognize the issues. You only need to find the forum for the change. Don't let this stuff drag you down. Stay positive and bring others into the positive realm.
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The surveys are a waste of time. A bunch of questions in a standardized format that in 90% of cases hasn't been tailored to a specific unit. A lot of commanders sadly enough couldn't give two craps about the results as long as it doesn't make them look bad. Most only do them because they are mandated. As a commander, you learn a hell of a lot more about your unit of you occasionally get in the trenches with your soldiers and actually talk to them. And I mean genuine, honest and open talking. Just my two cents.
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You're not. The majority of people feels the same way. Only because very few commanders take those surveys to actually gauge their unit.
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