Posted on Dec 16, 2021
What is the best approach to complain about a health and welfare conducted while soldiers were on leave and their room was left unsecured?
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So question for anyone who can answer. Recently many people have been taking leave for the holidays so it’s pretty common for a commander to authorize a health and welfare, no big deal. But In this particular instance there were three people involved in the “inspection” a SSG, SPC, and PFC. the SSG and PFC were K9 and the SPC was just the assistant barracks manager. But it started out bad when they began using the master key to barge in on people while they were sleeping, with little to no knocking at all. Many not dressed appropriately for an inspection obviously. Then from there it wasn’t totally standard. the occupants were removed from the building (normal) while the PFC and ONLY the PFC conducted the search with his K9. (Zero NCOs present and no chain of command) everything else was pretty standard up to the point where they entered a soldiers room that was on leave. They proceeded to search that room, again not a huge deal other than there not being any NCO there to verify the inspection obviously. But then after letting themselves in and unlocking all of this soldiers quarters, they left everything unsecured. With a high value items list worth thousands of dollars, all in electronics and tools, left the room unsecured entirely and door wide open. Thank goodness nothing was missing, but what is the best route for addressing this situation so people are held accountable and it doesn’t ever happen in the future?
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That's not a health and welfare inspection, that is a search by law enforcement officials. Health and welfare inspections are requested and conducted by leadership.
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CPL (Join to see)
Thank you, we’re an MP unit and they considered using their K9 assets as a health and welfare. I disagreed and found it unjustified without valid concern or reasoning. But that’s why I asked, thank you.
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CPL (Join to see) K9 units are used in health an welfare inspections, but Commanders and leaders are present for those inspections, which is why I said it sounds more like a law enforcement search.
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Well, you could always grab the sack and go straight to the BN CSM via Open Door Policy. Contact IG. Contact JAG to ensure these searches were legal or illegal.
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CPL (Join to see)
Thank you, I debated on going to IG, but wanted to get info to back up my concerns first.
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CPL (Join to see) you certainly want to make sure all ducks are lined up first. Nothing says, however, that you can't call IG and ask them if this falls into their lane. If it does, March them ducks right into the office
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CHAIN OF COMMAND. Why wasn't the equipment secured in a locker prior to departure? Also, there are a lot of allegations being made by a person who was on leave and did not know if an NCO was or wasn't present. I take it the SSG was a K9 handler and did not count as an NCO since the inspection with the dog was their responsibility. Also, isn't a health and welfare" inspection suppose to be "no notice"?
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CPL (Join to see)
I’ll start by saying thank you for your input.
The individuals have separate rooms, not lockers. they have locking inner doors with a shared bathroom and common area. So their inner rooms being locked and secured is standard. No allegations being made this information is all from an NCO that lives in the same complex and the Roomate of the SM on leave. But yes the SSG was K9 but part of the same unit and did not conduct the search, once everyone was out of the building he stood by with them while the rooms were searched. So again only the PFC inside the building conducting the search. And yes health and welfare checks are “no notice” for the soldiers. But section leaders we’re not tracking and a health and welfare includes having at least an nco present to check if the rooms are up to standard and in good working order for the soldiers in said room.
The individuals have separate rooms, not lockers. they have locking inner doors with a shared bathroom and common area. So their inner rooms being locked and secured is standard. No allegations being made this information is all from an NCO that lives in the same complex and the Roomate of the SM on leave. But yes the SSG was K9 but part of the same unit and did not conduct the search, once everyone was out of the building he stood by with them while the rooms were searched. So again only the PFC inside the building conducting the search. And yes health and welfare checks are “no notice” for the soldiers. But section leaders we’re not tracking and a health and welfare includes having at least an nco present to check if the rooms are up to standard and in good working order for the soldiers in said room.
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