Posted on Jan 22, 2014
SFC Robert Trodahl
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We all know it was "harder" back in "my day", but what is good from your day compared to what is being taught now? This question is for Officer and Enlisted. 
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The training that is being given today is way too soft. These young Soldiers that we are getting today have a sense of entitlement, and feel everything should be handed to them. Many do not handle stressful situations well. Often you will find them lacking discipline and or military bearing. They look at the Army as just another job, like a normal civilian job were they can get away with things civilians could on the job such as back talking for example. This is my opinion and that only, I am not a Psychiatrist by any means. I feel part of the reason for our high suicide rate is due to soldiers not being MENTALLY and physically broken down in Basic Training. How do you expect a Soldier to handle an extremely stressful situation in an uncontrolled environment, such as combat, when they cannot handle a stressful situation in a controlled environment. These Soldiers are being given the bare minimum to get them through Basic Training. I receive them here at AIT and heck they can't even do drill and ceremony properly.
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PFC Charles Clough
PFC Charles Clough
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I agree.  I was in the last class before they went to the stress free cycle.  I think it is ridiculous.  You get these young soldiers and they are not ready for combat by any means.  SSG Aaron is right.  Drill SGs need to be stricter. 
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SFC Robert Trodahl
SFC Robert Trodahl
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Thank you SSG Marr and PFC Clough for your input
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SFC James Baber
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The DSs back in the day were allowed to teach discipline and respect, but their hands are tied now. Also real Soldiering skills were taught then as well, not watered down barely there enough to pencil whip them through to get them to AIT to fulfill the numbers game as it is today.
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SFC James Baber
SFC James Baber
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John,


Their hands are tied by the fact they are no longer allowed to yell and put hands on when needed, and if the PVT doesn't want to do what they are told or supposed to be doing or have a grudge against the DS for enforcing standards, they just make a false claim as has been proven approximately 75%+ of the time from statistics.


I have had peers and subordinate NCOs that have come off the trail describe how things such as NBC training, First-Aid training, BRM and others have either been watered-down or eliminated altogether. Weapons/vehicle recognition is no longer taught in basic, how to use field phones or run wire is no longer taught, grenade training is no longer taught, land nav or map reading is no longer taught at some locations or is given a few hours of instructions with no follow up. I could go on all day about other things that are neither taught or what remains has been watered down, such as FA, ruck marches, etc.


The D & C that I saw from the Soldiers showing up for AIT when I was an operations NCO as yourself in an AIT Co and BN were almost non-existent and when the Soldiers were asked to demonstrate or explain how to do it, they didn't have a clue or stated they never had learned it, some could have been BS, but I tended to believe many when I saw how many couldn't even do basic things for CTT training.


Robert,


From what I have seen or heard they are being taught things more related to technology which may help them utilized some of the equipment they may see in combat/deployments or even some units, but with the removal of many of the basic survival and tactical skills and knowledge that many of us that came in before 2000 were taught then all that tech skills won't save your life in hand to hand combat or close combat situations.

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SFC Robert Trodahl
SFC Robert Trodahl
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James, I do agree.  I have had Soldiers show up knowing the basic's of being able to clear a room, but fail at Land Navigation.  What good is technical knowledge without tactical knowledge.  Some of the answers I recieved were "you will learn it when you get to your unit" or "your unit will go more in depth on it".  Oh how I loved those answers.
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I disagree for a few reasons:  There is nothing prohibiting a Drill Sergeant from yelling at a Soldier.  And for what reason, other than to protect life/limb/eyesight, do you need to put your hands on a Soldier?  They're in the infancy of there military service - the end state of their training is to introduce a subject and be tested to show they comprehend what was taught, not become an SME. 

 

With regard to the training that is no longer taught - some of your statements are incorrect.  CBRN is still taught, just not to the extent that is was over a decade ago.  Partially due to funding and partially due to lack of necessity.  First Aid (now Tactical Combat Casualty Care) is still taught, but some TTPs have changed because previous methods were proven ineffective.  Map Reading and Land Navigation hasn't changed much - but Soldiers in the MP Reriment are taught advanced skills (in AIT) using modern technology.  BRM (statistically) has improved and added Advanced Rifle Marksmansip to introduce Soldiers to the equipment that they could potentially use at their gaining unit.  Hand grenade traing is still conducted.  Foot marches are still conducted.

 

Your statement regarding technology related skills is correct.  Basic combat skills are also taught.  But it's practically a null argument.  The skills that were taught 10-20 years ago have either been improved or proven irrelevant.  Modern warfare is asymetric, not linear.  Those that refuse to adapt to the COE also become irrelevent.

 

Now, I won't disagree that Soldiers of today are much different than those of other (previous) generations in many ways.  However, the Soldiers of today are what we, as Noncommissioned Officers, make them.  The generating force is comprised of a wide range of people with varying experiences.  But the biggest issue with the Soldiers of today is the NCOs that teach them - it's not the training that's mandated by TRADOC and DA to be taught.

 

For those that have AKO access - type "BCT POI" in to the search block.  There you'll find all of the current lesson plans and training support packages that support the training conducted in BCT.

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SFC Robert Trodahl
SFC Robert Trodahl
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Thank you for sharing your knowledge SFC Attardi!
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