Posted on Nov 4, 2014
Concealed carry for all current service members (CAC holders)?
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Should uniformed military be allowed to conceal carry any were in the U.S. with a CAC as a license due to increased threats to military personnel?
Concealed Carry
Firearms and Guns
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2nd Amendment
Posted 11 y ago
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No I do not think the CAC should replace a conceal carry permit. What the Military could do is, facilitate the training and issuance of the permit once a service member has completed training. Not all SMs have the maturity or training to handle a pistol.
Instead of a conceal carry, the Military should authorize an open carry, with a permit, on bases for Active and Retired members.
Instead of a conceal carry, the Military should authorize an open carry, with a permit, on bases for Active and Retired members.
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I would love to see that...but it ain't gonna happen in this day and age of radical Muslim terrorists.
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No way. There are so many immature lower enlisted even some NCOs that still act like children. Service members need to stay vigilant and not put themselves out there and draw attention that can cause harm to them just because they are a service member.
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I would think it's a slippery slope with the undisciplined Soldiers coming through the ranks now.
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I'm conflicted because I feel they would have the discipline, more so than a Civilian. However they have been a rise in undisciplined Soldiers and future gang bangers joining to learn the tactics.
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NO! NO! NO!
I have trained many marines in rifle and pistol marksmanship and as much as we would like to think that weapons handling and marksmanship is second nature to military members, IT IS NOT! There are just some people that no matter the amount or depth of the training they just don't get the hang of it. There needs to be training and signs of proficiency before being able to carry. A CAC should not give you that privilege. With that being said, VA Beach will give military members a concealed permit for $50 and show your CAC, not that I agree with that.
I have trained many marines in rifle and pistol marksmanship and as much as we would like to think that weapons handling and marksmanship is second nature to military members, IT IS NOT! There are just some people that no matter the amount or depth of the training they just don't get the hang of it. There needs to be training and signs of proficiency before being able to carry. A CAC should not give you that privilege. With that being said, VA Beach will give military members a concealed permit for $50 and show your CAC, not that I agree with that.
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The language on many of the CCW applications that incorporates retired law-enforcement ought to be modified to include active or retired military. If nothing else, expanding on that existing provision may be the easiest way to get it started in all but the stupidest states (MD, NJ, CA, NY, IL, etc.)
Of course, the argument for law enforcement is usually a lifetime of potential violent reciprocity from formerly convicted felons they put away being let out in the future. But that isn't too far from reality for present day military with open fatwas against us domestically or retribution for our involvement in conflict zones.
Of course, the argument for law enforcement is usually a lifetime of potential violent reciprocity from formerly convicted felons they put away being let out in the future. But that isn't too far from reality for present day military with open fatwas against us domestically or retribution for our involvement in conflict zones.
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SSG Ryan Harter
I would not lump the military in with law enforcement on this. In my state retirees are required to attend periodic training and evaluation from active officers. Perhaps they could do something like that for the military? I found it to be a bit of sticky area that as an no I trusted soldiers on deployment daily walking around with loaded weapons, but that take some of them home and let them loose in their off-duty time with a concealed weapon?
Who knows though, it is an interesting thought. If they want a possible system to make that work there could be CCW classes taught on post through the provost marshal's office. Perhaps the PMO could work with the local county office. The PMO would be a sort of go between where all classes forms costs were directed by the county, but executed on post. I am painfully over simplifying the subject, but I think my general idea came across.
Who knows though, it is an interesting thought. If they want a possible system to make that work there could be CCW classes taught on post through the provost marshal's office. Perhaps the PMO could work with the local county office. The PMO would be a sort of go between where all classes forms costs were directed by the county, but executed on post. I am painfully over simplifying the subject, but I think my general idea came across.
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I am ALL for more CCW holders anywhere. Being from CA, i wish it was that easy. Also being firearms trainer, my experience (yes Air Force, but have trained with Army as well) tells me not every military personnel are capable of the responsibility or even simple mechanics of holding a live weapon.
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I personally say yes, but they should be required to take the CC course, self defense course, and a escalation of force course.
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I don't think being in the military means you know how to shoot or shoot someone else without hitting civilians. It's not the Wild Wild West. People need to lean to conceal their weapon and when it's appropriate to whip it out. Military members have been getting car jacked, robbed and assaulted long before ISIS threats. It's no reason to run out and carry a gun. If someone dosent want to pay for the class and get licensed they must not feel that strongly about it. It's a liability I'm sure the military won't want. A CAC card dosent have your weapons qual on it.
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