Posted on Nov 4, 2014
Concealed carry for all current service members (CAC holders)?
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Only if they wear PT belts while carrying. Safety first.
In all seriousness, in the current safety obsessed, zero defect mentality enviornment I can not imagine this ever, ever being allowed.
I would like to see duty officers and NCOs issued sidearms.
I could also see all officers and NCOs being issued side arms to carry on duty if the local force protection level warrants it. Though maybe not 2LTs....or we could just give them blanks.
I'm not sure that allowing every Soldier to carry all the time is a great idea. Given the shennanigans lower enlisted are constantly tempted to, I'd expect to see privates shooting each other the barracks, probably while drunk.
For it to work, safely, the Army would need to significantly up the level of firearms training for its Soldiers (which would be agood thing).
In all seriousness, in the current safety obsessed, zero defect mentality enviornment I can not imagine this ever, ever being allowed.
I would like to see duty officers and NCOs issued sidearms.
I could also see all officers and NCOs being issued side arms to carry on duty if the local force protection level warrants it. Though maybe not 2LTs....or we could just give them blanks.
I'm not sure that allowing every Soldier to carry all the time is a great idea. Given the shennanigans lower enlisted are constantly tempted to, I'd expect to see privates shooting each other the barracks, probably while drunk.
For it to work, safely, the Army would need to significantly up the level of firearms training for its Soldiers (which would be agood thing).
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Being a current CCW holder in a State where most counties do not issue CCW's, this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart. The idea that Members of the Military are not allowed to carry a Concealed weapon on their own home ground is absurd and not logical. We are given weapons far more destructive than mere sidearms; and we are very well trained to use them; in very stressful conditions. We above all should be more than trusted but endowed to be permitted to carry them. Not only in the state that we are stationed but also across every state in the country. Retired Law Enforcement Officers are given this permission through a fairly new law (2004) Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA). We are as equally trained as they in my opinion, some mos's more than others but still a legitimate argument.
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My opinion on the matter will probably have some controversy, I do not think just because you are military you should be able to carry, there are a lot of military who are not qualified and do not understand proper handling of a loaded firearm, through all of my deployments I have witnessed loaded M16,M4, and M9s being thrown on the ground, slung on peoples backs where they have hit people with the barrel unknowingly (Just 2 months ago a soldier bumped their barrel into my shoulder at a DFAC in Iraq fully loaded and when I looked their selector switch was on semi.) A lot of new soldiers as well as non combat arms have not handled weapons very much and even my own soldiers I have caught with their weapons hot and the safety off on accident and if you ask a lot of soldiers who are not combat arms or MPs or who do not deal with weapons on a daily basis they do not know a lot about their weapon or safety of it other than making sure its on safe. Most have only fired their weapon while qualifying on a range with someone looking over their shoulder directing every action. Whats to say someone won't have that muscle memory or discipline to ensure their weapon is on safe and has a AD/or ND. I believe NCO's in combat arms MOS as well as MPs should be able to carry using their CAC as CCW card. All others should have to take a course in order to carry, it would be nice to offer this course free of charge as a military program just like the motorcycle course you are required to take to drive a motorcycle.
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MAJ (Join to see)
SPC I could not agree with you more. This sounds like CSM failure. And we obviously need more training ammo.
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SGT(P) (Join to see)
Oh I definitely agree but I can imagine the level of difficulty to get the funds when each unit gets a very inadequate budget each fiscal year. I don't agree with the military having a budget I feel just approval should be needed for big purchases. Maybe then we can start training like we mean it.
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I think the process should be the same for everyone military or not. Increased threats should make you want to get your CC license as soon as you can. The entire process doesn't take that long.
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Interesting idea, for this to happen, screening of persons selected to carry conceal must be in place. Because not everyone is responsible enough for this daily responsibility.
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Yes... The logical is yes.... If you have doubts about someone then why are they in the military?
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Uh, NO, I don't think so...especially after they just arrested a National Guaed Specialist in Chicago for working with ISIS. There would have to be a much better and more stringent system of checks and balances in place before concealed carry for all service members, based solely on the fact that they are, indeed, service members, takes place.
I'm also former law enforcement and I can already envision the nightmare THATS about to happen with this concealed carry deal. No..no one will know who's whom anymore.
I'm also former law enforcement and I can already envision the nightmare THATS about to happen with this concealed carry deal. No..no one will know who's whom anymore.
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Sgt Ron Proffitt
He was out of the service for him to receive a conceal permit he would have to apply in Chicago pass a back ground check.
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Absolutely. In todays terror filled global climate its almost nessisary. NCO's and higher, or any soldier with more than 3 years TIS, should be able to carry in out of uniform either a personl side arm or an issued weapon.
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SGT (Join to see)
I agree it's a constitutional privilege but I can understand the reservation on many people part given some of history of violence on some military installations. I live on one and I wouldn't want something crazy to happen to family because someone is having issues and decides to take it out on everyone in sight.
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Since in the state that I live in the ability to get a concealed carry license is very easy I’m going to say no, the CAC does not superseded the validity of going thru the local documentation process. The law of the area you live and the police there would be the ones questioning in the first place. Just because you have a CAC doesn’t mean you are not: A violent offender, a current military member(I am dual CAC ctr and Army), also the MPs here on post are civilian so I would think the sight of a pistol could cause some uneasy feelings, then there is the possibilities of negligent discharges from dumb asses that think showing off what they own is a prestige thing. I will open carry all day long however because that is the right bestowed on me by living in this state. Go thru the proper channels of the law, that’s why they are there. Know your rights and abide by them and if you’re comfortable carrying a pistol get your license take some safety classes and by all means cover your own ass.
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I believe that the CAC should serve as an equivalent to the Concealed Carry. Military Personnel go through just as much, if not more, training on firearms/firearms safety as you would in a civilian class. So many of our Soldiers are spending their money to get a Concealed Carry License just to go through basically the same training that they went through in Basic Training, or almost anytime they have any kind of BRM practice.
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