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To all Military Police Corps Members,
So with the new Army Directive 2015-03, the LEOSA Act of 2004, which has been updated to include all law enforcement in the military branches. It is a great opportunity for the law enforcement community within the uniformed services to have, but how many feel, that there should be some stricter guidelines for carrying off-duty and Concealed?
Should there be a set age limit? Rank? Maybe even discretion of the unit to allow it? I do know that we do know always have the most mature members in the branches and some may feel that it is a great opportunity, and other feel that it is a catastrophe waiting to happen, and it get yanked, never to allow it again.
Do some of you in the law enforcement side of the uniformed services and even civilian feel that there should be a set standard across the board on this, or should it be only allowed after the FLETA accreditation from USAMPS is given out?
So with the new Army Directive 2015-03, the LEOSA Act of 2004, which has been updated to include all law enforcement in the military branches. It is a great opportunity for the law enforcement community within the uniformed services to have, but how many feel, that there should be some stricter guidelines for carrying off-duty and Concealed?
Should there be a set age limit? Rank? Maybe even discretion of the unit to allow it? I do know that we do know always have the most mature members in the branches and some may feel that it is a great opportunity, and other feel that it is a catastrophe waiting to happen, and it get yanked, never to allow it again.
Do some of you in the law enforcement side of the uniformed services and even civilian feel that there should be a set standard across the board on this, or should it be only allowed after the FLETA accreditation from USAMPS is given out?
Law Enforcement
Military police
Concealed Carry
Off Duty
Posted 11 y ago
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I'm going to HIJACK this threat for a min since I cant find the one I started about 2 years ago:
There were some MP brothers in gun adverse states ie Hawaii that were told by the local police chief they could not have weapons......the courts have ruled that the local police chief can't make that call if you are issued the credentials they have to honor them
ALSO because of recent case law 31E's are also eligible to apply~
There were some MP brothers in gun adverse states ie Hawaii that were told by the local police chief they could not have weapons......the courts have ruled that the local police chief can't make that call if you are issued the credentials they have to honor them
ALSO because of recent case law 31E's are also eligible to apply~
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SGT (Join to see)
Us guys in NY State are able to buy weapons just using this.. NJ still requires all law enforcement to get a Firearms Purchases ID.. but it only takes half the time... so far no MP here has done anything stupid and No news outlet has reported anything, so it is good news
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CPL Keoni Delacruz
I applied in Hawaii through the attorney generals office and was approved for Hawaii leosa. Kind of an issue but I also have the army leosa card as well.
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SGT JAHKE,
In my opinion, I think it's a great opportunity for our armed forces for the following reasons: First to get job, as armed guard security where state like NY, NJ etc. it is hard to get a gun permit and also, it's good as a military to get some off-time training on your weapon. As we all know that soldiers don’t have time to train and have hard time to qualify on their weapon. Another benefit that you can protect yourself off duty. But my issue is why marines giving their leosa credential for only 1 year minimum and the army you need 6 years. Something is not right there. I think all service member should have the minimum 1 year that’s it.
In my opinion, I think it's a great opportunity for our armed forces for the following reasons: First to get job, as armed guard security where state like NY, NJ etc. it is hard to get a gun permit and also, it's good as a military to get some off-time training on your weapon. As we all know that soldiers don’t have time to train and have hard time to qualify on their weapon. Another benefit that you can protect yourself off duty. But my issue is why marines giving their leosa credential for only 1 year minimum and the army you need 6 years. Something is not right there. I think all service member should have the minimum 1 year that’s it.
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SSG (Join to see)
Each Service gets to make its requirements...the Army was too scared to have JOE with a gun
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SGT (Join to see)
I also think because the Marine Corps has had a law enforcement alumni since the 90s made it more different, unlike Army and AF... we werent considered LE until the Army implemented FLETA...
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Maj (Join to see)
There is going to be a standardized DoD POST examination. It will be the same for all services. When implemented, there should be a standardized LEOSA program as well. The Army will be sure to screw that up though.
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Applications are now open to all Active Duty, Retired, Separated and Department of the Army Civilian Military Policemen, we are being flooded with questions. Please take the time to read the law, H.R. 218, and Army Directive 2015-03.
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/ad2015_03.pdf
Also, read through the questions and posts on this page, as many of your questions have been asked and answered.
To get started with your application, please visit:
http://www.leosaarmy.com
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/ad2015_03.pdf
Also, read through the questions and posts on this page, as many of your questions have been asked and answered.
To get started with your application, please visit:
http://www.leosaarmy.com
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I paid for my LEOSA credentials about 5 months ago. I sent them all of my training records, awards, DD-214, and copies of my current military ID & Driver's License. I also did all of the FBI stuff and it went through. The problem I'm having is that when I requested a copy of my NGB-22 the Air Force personal center told me that they had nothing on me and to call my home base. I spent 12 as a Security Police/Security Forces at my home base. I called my home base d they said that they could not find any of my records also. I'm even a lifetime member of the Security Forces Alumni. Please if any one can help me I would greatly appreciate it. Take care & God Bless!!!
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SGT Jay Guardia
Yea thank God I kept enough proof of my time for the LEOSA app. I know the Army doesn't have all of my time credited. I was worried about that. But it seems DCS accepted my documentation.
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I had both Air Force active duty and reserve time. The active duty time was easy. It was on my DD214. I didn't get any DD214 for reserve time. Fortunately, I kept all my reserve assignment orders and could prove my reserve time. I did have to explain my reserve assignment orders to get DCS to understand them.
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I have actually done a significant amount of research on LEOSA and the DoD (and Army) policies in regards to it, including the DoD LEOSA card. I actually wrote a good portion of my Masters Thesis on a related topic which sparked this research. In any event, I will say LEOSA is pretty broad. However, without knowing the specifics of basic MP training it is difficult to say. I am actually an Army CI Special Agent and civilian police officer. I will say that based on what I have seen from many smaller state/smaller police agencies that significantly lack training when compared to say, the 6-8 month long California Police Academies, even basic Army MP training should be sufficient in teaching the rules of deadly force and carrying concealed. However, even the best of LEO training to include the extremely long CA police academies, CITP @ FLETC, and the FBI New Agent Training Course, you are still going have occasional new officers/agents that will do something stupid like leave their loaded weapon in the car on a regular basis, or show someone in their gun out in public (newbies are notorious for this kind of stuff in *ALL* agencies). Unfortunately, it just comes with the territory. As senior law enforcement personnel, it is our job to just try and keep reinforcing the standard and remind these knuckleheads of their training. Even with that, there will likely still be those ones and twosies who just graduated the academy and aren't used to carrying concealed, that do something dumb and end up losing their badge over it. We can only hope that they don't hurt someone when that happens.
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I know the AF has started issuing their creds a few months ago.
http://afsf.lackland.af.mil/LEOSA.html
http://afsf.lackland.af.mil/LEOSA.html
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
SGT Jay Guardia - Depends on the fed property. Quite a few AF Bases has re-written their IDP's to include allowing LEOSA's to carry on base.
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SGT Jay Guardia
Hey thanks, that's interesting to know. But what still holds true is that the LEOSA doesn't override the base commanders decision to restrict concealed carry. It's important for military members to understand that there are certain limitations to the LEOSA law. For example it doesn't allow carry in schools. But I recently found out that the State of Maryland has changed their state law to allow retired LEOSA's to concealed carry in Maryland schools as long as their child is attending or even if they're visiting another child such as a friend of the family. In other words if there's a valid reason that an LEOSA is at the school such as going to a game or whatever the case may be.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
SGT Jay Guardia - As with any Conceal Carry Permit, it is the bearer's duty to know it's limitation.
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Maj (Join to see)
Yep, we can carry in all 50 states, however not in the jurisdiction in which we actually worked (a military installation). Fortunately, I was stationed and retired from JB Andrews, MD. One of the few bases which allowed LEOSA while I was there.
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I believe permission to carry off duty should be made based on years of experience and track record of conduct. 3-4 years of good service maybe.
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