Posted on Jun 9, 2015
Could Baghdad be the next city to fall to ISIS?
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Bombings rocked Baghdad. Is ISIS getting a bit more brazen in their attacks in order to reestablish a caliphate as they see it? I know this is a touchy subject for many of my brothers and sisters, but this is a safe place to vent our frustrations over sacrifices made & what appears to be the futility in getting a people to hold on to what was given them.
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I don't see Baghdad actually falling to ISIS. There may be a lot of blood shed but the Shi'a who live in Sadr City and Tisa Nissan will never let Sunni radicals take over their sectors. They will fight them the same way they fought us. However, it will be a miserable place to live for certain.
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My rank may not reflect my age or thought process but I agree with SSG McPherson. I honestly don't think we should have left. Even when we departed, I felt Iraq was lacking stability.
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I agree it was not stabilized.
I disagree that we should stayed. No amt of money, equipment or American lives would/will help Iraq until Iraq wants to help itself.
Neither Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki or his govt had the courage to see a real future for Iraq and instead chose to focus on centuries-old customs and cultural differences. Heck, they could have kept us there just by agreeing to extend the Status of Forces agreement previously signed by President Bush's govt. They didn't, and in fact they were already pissed about the dates in that agreement, let alone extending it ... and in my opinion, it would have been criminal for President Obama's administration to keep us there without that agreement in place.
They got what they wanted, and until IRAQIs show the fortitude to invest in real change, aka Germany, Japan, etc, we should not be there in any significant size on the ground.
I disagree that we should stayed. No amt of money, equipment or American lives would/will help Iraq until Iraq wants to help itself.
Neither Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki or his govt had the courage to see a real future for Iraq and instead chose to focus on centuries-old customs and cultural differences. Heck, they could have kept us there just by agreeing to extend the Status of Forces agreement previously signed by President Bush's govt. They didn't, and in fact they were already pissed about the dates in that agreement, let alone extending it ... and in my opinion, it would have been criminal for President Obama's administration to keep us there without that agreement in place.
They got what they wanted, and until IRAQIs show the fortitude to invest in real change, aka Germany, Japan, etc, we should not be there in any significant size on the ground.
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I doubt Baghdad will fall. We have too much invested in Iraq to allow that, the strongest units of the Iraqi Army are stationed there, and the Shiite militias have a strong presence (not to mention Iran). If ISIS resumed hostilities in the north, I could see Kirkuk possibly falling next.
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I'm just looking at the overall chess game that ISIS seems to be playing pretty well w/ the Iraqis. They attack one major point in order to draw forces there, then take over the place that those forces were pulled from.
Our problem is, as was so eloquently stated yesterday by POTUS, that we don't have a defined strategy to fight ISIS. If we get involved to a great extent again, will be have better ROEs, or will we still be forced to triple confirm that no one but the bad guys will get hurt before we return fire? (I know, that was a gross over-exaggeration, but the point remains the same)
Our problem is, as was so eloquently stated yesterday by POTUS, that we don't have a defined strategy to fight ISIS. If we get involved to a great extent again, will be have better ROEs, or will we still be forced to triple confirm that no one but the bad guys will get hurt before we return fire? (I know, that was a gross over-exaggeration, but the point remains the same)
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LTC Paul Labrador
ISIS works off of the "Dread Pirate Roberts" factor against the Iraqis. Their reputation is so nasty that everyone is scared to fight them. Not saying that they don't know how to fight....but when units who have the will to stand against them, they have had success.
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The ISIS strategy seems to be working well in their favor. The U.S. seems poor at developing any time of long term strategy for dealing with these issues in Iraq and as of now it looks like we just fly around, find some targets, kill them, and fly home. There is not much direction to this thing at all.
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LTC Paul Labrador
Very true, sir. The Kurds have shown this and when properly supplied, have performed well in the field. Another issue happening seems to be Baghdad's reluctance to send support to besieged soldiers, such as in Ramadi. From what I have read, the IA (specifically IA special operations units) fought until they ran out of ammo trying to hold the city but their calls for aid went unanswered. Fresh supplies and soldiers from Baghdad could have changed the outcome. It seems like there are not many in Iraq that have the stomach to fight.
I helped train the IA in the north and my experience was terrible. Those guys were not interested in being soldiers, they just wanted a paycheck, cool guy gear, and pictures with Americans to put on their Facebook. They were lazy and in poor shape. I cannot speak for all of the Iraqi Army, but those guys were poor excuses for soldiers. I am not surprised many have ran.
Very true, sir. The Kurds have shown this and when properly supplied, have performed well in the field. Another issue happening seems to be Baghdad's reluctance to send support to besieged soldiers, such as in Ramadi. From what I have read, the IA (specifically IA special operations units) fought until they ran out of ammo trying to hold the city but their calls for aid went unanswered. Fresh supplies and soldiers from Baghdad could have changed the outcome. It seems like there are not many in Iraq that have the stomach to fight.
I helped train the IA in the north and my experience was terrible. Those guys were not interested in being soldiers, they just wanted a paycheck, cool guy gear, and pictures with Americans to put on their Facebook. They were lazy and in poor shape. I cannot speak for all of the Iraqi Army, but those guys were poor excuses for soldiers. I am not surprised many have ran.
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