Posted on Mar 22, 2018
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So throughout my time in the military I've seen dozens of "standards" for what needs to go in soldiers counseling packets. Some things I think are unnecessary for example are their LES, SGLV, DD93, medpros (PII) and 350-1 training certificates. I feel that if the training room should have those physically or in DTMS. It just seems like a waste of paper to have them in multiple areas. Suggestions?
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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I actually find that the NCO keeping many of these documents in a counseling packet to be helpful. For many soldiers, you will never see the worth in doing this but for those that you bring to their boards, these documents are invaluable. MedPros is a little overkill because they are always changing status in one area or another, but documents that don't change very often it is great to have those records.
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SFC Vet Technician
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I think it is up to the individual leader to determine what they need to maintain a picture of their Soldier over time. Obviously I like to have copies of previous 4856s, NCOER, and 1059's. I also keep copies of course certificates (from those that don't generate a 1059).

Do I need to have a copy of their latest online required training certs? I don't see why. I always have my soldiers present 2 copies of those. I tell them put one in the training office and put one in your "love me book" so that when you show up on a list in a month, you have proof.

As far as S1 stuff? What are you going to do with their DD93 and SGLI stuff? LES (really?) That belongs with the Soldier.

Instead, I have a sheet with my Soldier's names down the side, and all the major categories across the top. I annotate the date that I am presented with some sort of proof that they completed the task (either having been shown a document or a completed Admin SRP checksheet). That way I can easily skim and see who is deficient.
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SGT Michael Schmiesing
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At one point I had 2 Bdgs with 16 personal if I had not kept records I would have failed my own people. Plus all those who depended on us. So literally IF I didn't keep records on hand I would have failed. Plus I had a sad duty to eliminate a bad soldier. My input was the final issue that pushed out a bad soldier.
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