Posted on Nov 2, 2014
CSM sentenced for wearing/claiming fake medals. What do you think of his penalty?
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So I was perusing Army Times and saw this little Gem:
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20110309/NEWS/103090328/Ex-Walter-Reed-CSM-sentenced-to-6-months
From the article:
Some of the offenses admitted by Crump include wearing six awards and decorations from March to December of 2009, including the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with Arrowhead device, which indicates — contrary to military records — that he made a combat jump into Grenada. He admitted he wore a U.S. Navy Achievement Medal without authority since 2006 and, on three occasions, two or three unauthorized overseas service bars.
Do you think that the CSM was fined too harshly, just right, or not enough?
I will reserve my comments for now.
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20110309/NEWS/103090328/Ex-Walter-Reed-CSM-sentenced-to-6-months
From the article:
Some of the offenses admitted by Crump include wearing six awards and decorations from March to December of 2009, including the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with Arrowhead device, which indicates — contrary to military records — that he made a combat jump into Grenada. He admitted he wore a U.S. Navy Achievement Medal without authority since 2006 and, on three occasions, two or three unauthorized overseas service bars.
Do you think that the CSM was fined too harshly, just right, or not enough?
I will reserve my comments for now.
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Getting fired, yes...demotion, yes...keeping him in charge of soldiers, no...jail time, no. Forced retirement and see ya later. Just like in civilian life why waste money taking care of this clown any more than we have to? Especially since their really can be no rehabilitation as it pertains to his offense...what's the reason for the prison sentence? Simply punishment? Let's be done with him and move onto more important matters...
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I understand that we are all humans, but as a CSM he was supposed to be setting the example for others to emulate. The only example he set was how to try to get away with pinning unauthorized awards on your uniform. He is a disgrace to the uniform and I think they should have done more to him.
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Active duty members who fake awards for personal gain, whether financial or otherwise, should not be eligible for an Honorable discharge.
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To pin unwon medals on one's chest is to demean the entire system of awards, which has been paid for in blood.
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Maybe it should be made a standard: 1 year of prison for each piece of stolen valor. Regardless of weather you are military or civilian.
Maybe these idiots will stop and think for the first time in their lives.
I personally think he should have been brought before the entire command and demoted, given a dishonorable discharge, and a year for each piece of valor that he didn't earn.
It should be done to officers and enlisted alike.
Maybe these idiots will stop and think for the first time in their lives.
I personally think he should have been brought before the entire command and demoted, given a dishonorable discharge, and a year for each piece of valor that he didn't earn.
It should be done to officers and enlisted alike.
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I personally have seen sexual assault & misconduct charges get far less as far as punishment is concerned.
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Wall to Wall Counseling is in order. FM 22-102
http://www.ncoer.com/wall.htm
Stolen Valor is stolen valor.... regardless if it is some wanna-be civilian who bought a uniform on Ebay and had it sent to Fort Living Room just in time for a free Veterans Day meal at Applebees or if it is a CSM who wore ribbons and awards he never earned. Stolen Valor is a crime.
This has gone on for far too long. When I was in-service we called them "Paper Soldiers" or "AAFES Rangers"... Soldiers who would buy awards at the PX/BX or Military Clothing and Sales and pin themselves without the paperwork to support it. We took great pleasure in publicly shaming these clowns by asking them to recount each decoration on their uniform and how they earned it. We would let them tell a wild story (some were quite interesting) about how they were awarded the Meritorious Service Medal, or some long passed campaign ribbon, and as soon as they said enough, the Platoon Sergeant and 1st SGT would smoke them like a cheap cigar before escorting them off to the commander's office. The term "Paper Soldier" gradually changed to mean soldiers who looked good on paper (ERB, NCOER etc) but who were often found to be out of their depth in a kiddie pool - but I digress.
http://www.ncoer.com/wall.htm
Stolen Valor is stolen valor.... regardless if it is some wanna-be civilian who bought a uniform on Ebay and had it sent to Fort Living Room just in time for a free Veterans Day meal at Applebees or if it is a CSM who wore ribbons and awards he never earned. Stolen Valor is a crime.
This has gone on for far too long. When I was in-service we called them "Paper Soldiers" or "AAFES Rangers"... Soldiers who would buy awards at the PX/BX or Military Clothing and Sales and pin themselves without the paperwork to support it. We took great pleasure in publicly shaming these clowns by asking them to recount each decoration on their uniform and how they earned it. We would let them tell a wild story (some were quite interesting) about how they were awarded the Meritorious Service Medal, or some long passed campaign ribbon, and as soon as they said enough, the Platoon Sergeant and 1st SGT would smoke them like a cheap cigar before escorting them off to the commander's office. The term "Paper Soldier" gradually changed to mean soldiers who looked good on paper (ERB, NCOER etc) but who were often found to be out of their depth in a kiddie pool - but I digress.
WALL-TO-WALL COUNSELING FM 22-102 New Page 2
You will find many helpful ideas about how to prepare and write NCOERs. We have gathered the links and put them on one webpage.
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We work hard, drip a lot of sweat and blood, and shed a ton of tears in the military and for any member to falsely wear or claim award of decorations and medals not earned is disgusting to say the least. He should have been dishonorably discharged and stripped of all rank and recognition. This is just wrong.
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Rules are rules, I get that... Not like he was sporting a Silver Star or anything of significance. Now that being said, he is (was) a CSM, the highest ranking leader of soldiers. There is something "extra" that trickles down if he is let off too easy. The effects on current and future NCO's could be irreparable. He made a proverbial Sh&^ Sandwich that everyone has to take a bite of. I'm retired, but I still lowered my head when I read this article. Sad business all around.
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CPO Sean Hancock
I'm not sure that I agree with l his fake medals being of not "anything of significance."
It appears that he made these claims in order to look better for the ranking boards, thus the significance is that he may very well have taken the promotion slot from someone who actually did what their medals represent and did it honorably. I do agree with the trickle-down effect this could have on the troops.
It appears that he made these claims in order to look better for the ranking boards, thus the significance is that he may very well have taken the promotion slot from someone who actually did what their medals represent and did it honorably. I do agree with the trickle-down effect this could have on the troops.
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SSG Clint McCollough
It could also be seen that way about the medals. Regardless, he knew better and was wrong.
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