Posted on Dec 3, 2013
Current policy on Recruiting when recruitee has a "criminal mischief charge
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A friend's son was picked up at 16 carrying paraphanelia. The original charge of possession was downgraded by the judge to criminal mischief. Now this kid can't get a recruiter to talk to him. Can someone on recruiter duty tell me current policy and what this parent should do?
Posted 12 y ago
Responses: 3
Rally Point came through on this one. I got some great feedback from SFC Gannon! Thanks for the assist!
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LTC Joseph Gross
Good point but I doubt many would be interested in this. The short version provided to me by SFC Gannon was that if the judge had downgraded the conviction to Criminal Mischief prior to court, then the Army views it as criminal mischief. However if the judge intervened after the case was adjudicated, then the Army would see the original conviction and that would create a problem. Based on what the parent told me and what SFC Gannon advised, this kid should be good to go. However, I also since learned that the kid is home schooled which leads to other problems, but that issue has already been worked out.
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SFC A.M. Drake
Sir,<br><br>I have been in recruiting for over 12yrs and I do not know who SFC Gannon was speaking to at USAREC, but you can check out the regs on this issue, If you would like to send me an email. I can get to the bottom of this matter quickly. If it has not already been taken care of. One thing I do know. Even if the judge downgraded the charge based on the atty's recommendation still amounts to a OAD (Other Adverse Disposition) which is still considered guilty in the eyes of the Army. Now if the DA was to dismiss because of "Prosecutorial discretion/not enough evidence" then he would be good to go. Hopes this helps.<br>
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LTC Gross
Check your mail on here, I am talking to a frined of mine at USAREC right now
Check your mail on here, I am talking to a frined of mine at USAREC right now
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Have the parents obtain a lawyer and have the persons juvenile record sealed. This is the standard operating procedure for a good kid who made stupid mistake when they were young. It will only take a couple of hours of work for the legal firm so the cost should be in the neighborhood of $700.00. It will be worth it in the long run. The second option is exapoungement which is a bit more lengthy but actually removes the juvinle crime from his record. We do this all the time in civilian fire re ruitment. <div>God Speed </div>
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SPC Richard Haas Jr.
Actually these are both correct, there is only one federal data base the NICS The National Instant Criminal Background Check System which is connected to the FBI and the DOJ. When your recored is expunged a judge actually sends a court order to have the infraction/misdemeanor removed from your record, paper copies are shredded and electronic copies are deleted. There is no more record, period. As far as sealing a record that information is not discoverable either "unless the person signs a form allowing someone to look at it" these have been in act for decades. And yes they do run your finger prints and all arrests and convictions show up, unless they have been sealed or expunged. The law that is is under is the Code of Federal regulations (Privacy Act).
Captain R. Haas
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CW3 (Join to see)
I beg to differ. I had a stupid mistake after I was already 18...and because I went to pre-trial diversion, I got it expunged after two years. Never showed up again.
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SFC (Join to see)
at the end of the day you will still need to state if you have ever had a case thrown out, expunged, or sealed. If you fail to do so you can be held for fraudulent enlistment.
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SFC (Join to see)
if you have addressable concerns take a look at the reg. AR 601-210.
it is pretty cut and dry, certain things will and can be issued a waiver. Depends on current usarec messages that come out almost daily.
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