Posted on Nov 2, 2015
Denmark's PM says Sanders is wrong to call his country socialist. Do you agree?
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Here is the link unless RP redoes my post again...
Bernie Sanders has long referred to himself as a socialist rather than a member of the Democratic Party, which has naturally led to a lot of questions about what socialism means to him. He consistently references the social models of the Nordic states — especially Denmark — as his idea of what democratic socialism is all about. But in a speech Friday evening at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen said that while he's flattered to see Denmark discussed in a widely watched US presidential debate he doesn't think the socialist shoe fits.
"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism," he said. "Therefore, I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."
In Rasmussen's view, "The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish."
This is not especially different, as a substantive matter, from what Sanders is saying. His platform calls for higher taxes, a lot more social welfare spending, but — with the important exception of health insurance — not the nationalization of whole industries. And Denmark has, as Rasmussen goes on to say a bit later in the talk, exactly the kind of single-payer health system that Sanders favors. But in Rasmussen's view, this doesn't amount to socialism at all.
Another interesting point the prime minister raises is that the level of disagreement between the main Danish political parties simply isn't all that high. He leads a right-of-center party, but he says that four years ago when he visited a US political convention he went to the Democratic convention, and so did his main opponent on the center left.
Bernie Sanders has long referred to himself as a socialist rather than a member of the Democratic Party, which has naturally led to a lot of questions about what socialism means to him. He consistently references the social models of the Nordic states — especially Denmark — as his idea of what democratic socialism is all about. But in a speech Friday evening at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen said that while he's flattered to see Denmark discussed in a widely watched US presidential debate he doesn't think the socialist shoe fits.
"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism," he said. "Therefore, I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."
In Rasmussen's view, "The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish."
This is not especially different, as a substantive matter, from what Sanders is saying. His platform calls for higher taxes, a lot more social welfare spending, but — with the important exception of health insurance — not the nationalization of whole industries. And Denmark has, as Rasmussen goes on to say a bit later in the talk, exactly the kind of single-payer health system that Sanders favors. But in Rasmussen's view, this doesn't amount to socialism at all.
Another interesting point the prime minister raises is that the level of disagreement between the main Danish political parties simply isn't all that high. He leads a right-of-center party, but he says that four years ago when he visited a US political convention he went to the Democratic convention, and so did his main opponent on the center left.
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To be honest, I don't know what form of government Denmark has. Maybe Sanders, like me, assumed that it was a socialist democracy because of all the welfare state stuff going on. Dear God, did I just equate myself with Bernie Sanders? I need a bath.
However, I must wonder just how free markets can exist in a welfare state. Welfare is anything but free. It requires that the state pilfer from productive citizens for the benefit of nonproductive citizens. I can't imagine how this is accomplished without skewing the supply and demand equations that drive prices and availability of goods and services.
Thus I'm left in a perplexing situation. Is the Prime Minister of Denmark confused about the nature of his own nation's economy or is it Bernie and I who are confused.
Damn, there I go again. I need another bath...
However, I must wonder just how free markets can exist in a welfare state. Welfare is anything but free. It requires that the state pilfer from productive citizens for the benefit of nonproductive citizens. I can't imagine how this is accomplished without skewing the supply and demand equations that drive prices and availability of goods and services.
Thus I'm left in a perplexing situation. Is the Prime Minister of Denmark confused about the nature of his own nation's economy or is it Bernie and I who are confused.
Damn, there I go again. I need another bath...
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COL Ted Mc
CPT Jack Durish - Captain; Denmark is a "Constitutional Monarchy" and is also a "representative democracy" with "universal suffrage" which elects representatives to a unicameral legislature.
If you would take a look at countries like Japan, Germany, Canada, Australia, and many others you would see how a "welfare state" (definitions of which vary widely) can exist alongside a "market economy".
Where the confusion arises in most peoples' minds is when they confuse an "economic system" with a "political/social system".
If you would take a look at countries like Japan, Germany, Canada, Australia, and many others you would see how a "welfare state" (definitions of which vary widely) can exist alongside a "market economy".
Where the confusion arises in most peoples' minds is when they confuse an "economic system" with a "political/social system".
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SrA Art Siatkowsky
I would be interested to know their immigration policy. I would love to have a lot of the benefits Bernie is trying to sell, but I would rather pay for them myself then give 50 to 75% of my paycheck to the government and say ' do a good job with my money.' I would expect that a nation that offers so much for 'free' probably has a very closed border. I wonder how much money we would have in the bank if we didn't have such an enormous immigration problem?
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SrA Art Siatkowsky
Just because Denmark's Prime Minister says his country isn't socialist, doesn't mean it's true!
Just because Denmark's Prime Minister says his country isn't socialist, doesn't mean it's true!
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SrA Art Siatkowsky
true but he is claiming they have free markets and Bernie doesnt like free markets.
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SGM Erik Marquez
Noticed and fixed, no worries. If you see you would like to fix a thread title next time, just message an admin. We can help.
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