Posted on Sep 26, 2015
Did You Decide Not To Become An Officer Or Refuse a Battlefield Commission?
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I was selected for OCS but at the last minute just before leaving I decided I didn't want to be an officer. This didn't go over to well with the Marine Corps & was told I made a big mistake & would probably regret it. That was a long time ago and the Marines were right I do regret that decision. And often wondered "What If?" and my Dad was furious at me because I took a job that paid more money than a 2nd Lt with 8 years of service..
Your thoughts....
Your thoughts....
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 19
Well my story is a little different. I was a Petty Officer Electronics Technician. Served 6 years in the Navy Reserves and got out in the late 1990s after the DOD draw downs, base closures and budget cuts. The Navy got really weird without having the evil empire of the Soviets as an enemy anymore. Ships got mothballed and bases closed. So I hung it up and got out. My civilian career was taking off in Emergency Management anyway and after September 11th 2001 it really took off. However, 10 years after I got out in 2008 a Navy recruiter came to my home, knocked on my door and told me the Navy needed me back. He then offered me a path to a Direct Commission since during that period while was out I went to college and night, finished my degrees and had about 20 years of experience in my field. In March of 2009 I was boarded with 159 other candidates (some currently serving and other prior service and non prior service civilians), Out of the 159 candidates they picked 5 to offer a commission to. I was number 4. Today Sept. 30th makes 6 years since returning to Navy duty. In those 6 years I have been to Africa, Germany, Italy and Brussels supporting the Navy and its interests overseas. If I hesitated when the recruiter came to my front door believing I was too old or I wouldnt make a good candidate I would not be an officer now. Bottom line is you need to be open to the possible. Sometimes life offer second chances. The difference between wisdom and knowledge is having either made the mistake and learned from it or learned from other poeple's mistakes and make better decisions later in life. I love being an officer but I always remember i was a deck plate sailor before.
LT. John MacLean "Die Hard"
LT. John MacLean "Die Hard"
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
Good Stuff Lt MacLean III having a critical MOS is probably the reason you were called back in the Navy.
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LT (Join to see)
Yes. Working in Telecommunications for 20 years and finishing 2 degrees in Info Technology made me a Direct Commission Candidate. However, my ET "A" School in the Navy gave me the start in my career. Working in Technology you have to continue to educate yourself, surf the changing environment as it evolves. So staying flexiable in everything is key. Be open to the possible.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
LT (Join to see) - I had a critical MOS (2536). High Speed Radio Intercept ...& when I was in the Reserves; I kept getting notices in the mail to stay in touch if I traveled because I could be called back to active duty within 48 hrs. And I was a student at Boston College so this had me worried.
When I decided to not go to OCS the Marines were highly pissed. My name was crossed off the promotion list for SSGT and I got a nasty letter from the Marine Headquarters in Washington DC.. I think having a critical MOS and all the time I spent in Marine and Navy Schools may have had something to do with them being pissed..
When I decided to not go to OCS the Marines were highly pissed. My name was crossed off the promotion list for SSGT and I got a nasty letter from the Marine Headquarters in Washington DC.. I think having a critical MOS and all the time I spent in Marine and Navy Schools may have had something to do with them being pissed..
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Big Navy and Marine HQ always has the option to get pissed about pretty much anything they want to. However, its our own fault that we decided not to join the Air Force. :)
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I joined with the intention of becoming an officer. Made my E5 before I went OCS and knew I could never not be an NCO. Zero regrets. 21 years later and winding up my 2nd tour as First Sergeant. Only good thing about being an officer would have been for the money. I did not join for the money.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
Thanx Top...I turned down OCS for the money with some regrets.. But it was back in the 60s...
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Regrets I have had a few:
1. Not going to OCS .
2. Didn't save enough for retirement
3. Was an absentee father travelling too much with my job
4. Working for companies who rely on Government Contracts
5. Taking early retirement without a second career
6. Trading IPOs without doing more study and research
7. Not voting & no interest in politics
8. Smoking & drinking
9 Taking too many prescription drugs
10. Selling my 1962 Corvette in 1964
My hope is that if just one guy/gal here doesn't make these dumbs mistakes ..
1. Not going to OCS .
2. Didn't save enough for retirement
3. Was an absentee father travelling too much with my job
4. Working for companies who rely on Government Contracts
5. Taking early retirement without a second career
6. Trading IPOs without doing more study and research
7. Not voting & no interest in politics
8. Smoking & drinking
9 Taking too many prescription drugs
10. Selling my 1962 Corvette in 1964
My hope is that if just one guy/gal here doesn't make these dumbs mistakes ..
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
LT (Join to see) - Here's Corvette #6 all set to drive from Mountain View CA to Boston MA Used GPS Tracking and Microsoft Surface Pro Map App
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Nice ride. The 62 body style is my favorite. A little before my era as I will probably never own one unless I hit the lottery. Almost traded my Harley for an 87 a few months ago.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
1962 Corvette..Great Ride & Racing Sports Car...They did just OK at the Riverside Raceway but could not corner as well as a 1962 Jag or Porsche..But could really jump off at the starts and lead all the other sport cars in their class .But if they hit a corner too fast they would spin out because of the weight in the front and rear..and in those days they didn't have wide tires..
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
Do you regret taking that job? It sounds to me that at the time you made the best decision for yourself. That is whats most important, what is best for YOU.
I was never an Officer, but at the same time I too had a few opportunities to apply for various Officer programs but honestly never had the desire to. So at the end of the day, to each his own and do what's right for you.
Do you regret taking that job? It sounds to me that at the time you made the best decision for yourself. That is whats most important, what is best for YOU.
I was never an Officer, but at the same time I too had a few opportunities to apply for various Officer programs but honestly never had the desire to. So at the end of the day, to each his own and do what's right for you.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
No it was exciting to work for Rockwell International in Downey CA but every time I saw a Marine Officer, it gave me pause to think what might have been.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
"I too had a few opportunities to apply for various Officer programs but honestly never had the desire to"
Why not, John..?? Did you ever discuss this with the Enlisted/Officer Program OIC??
Why not, John..?? Did you ever discuss this with the Enlisted/Officer Program OIC??
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PO1 John Miller
Sgt Tom Cunnally
Honestly, I was happy being enlisted and with the amount of responsibility I already had.
Honestly, I was happy being enlisted and with the amount of responsibility I already had.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
PO1 John Miller - I knew a lot of guys who went from enlisted to officer but they seemed to top out at Captain after 20 years because they didn't have a college degree or just got passed over for Major several times..
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Seems to me you answered your own questions; If your heart wasn't into it....
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Each experience is subjective and if different in unforseealble ways. It is impossible to tell what life would have been like if you had chosen a different path. I know officers who have resigned their commission, and NCOs who have become officers.
There are pros and cons to both sides, though I think I generally respect NCOs more because I've seen how political the officer side gets, while NCOs often do most of the real work that that needs done. It makes me me question whether we really need the siloed career separation between enlisted and officers in an age where education is widespread and communication technology allows information to be distributed easily.
There are pros and cons to both sides, though I think I generally respect NCOs more because I've seen how political the officer side gets, while NCOs often do most of the real work that that needs done. It makes me me question whether we really need the siloed career separation between enlisted and officers in an age where education is widespread and communication technology allows information to be distributed easily.
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You have to do what feels right for you, your family and your career. I originally joined the Army National Guard to become an officer, but decide to stay enlisted to give the Guard a return on its investment. Then I turned down a Direct Commission in the USAR (which I had applied for) back when I was an E-5. It was during the post-Persian Gulf War drawdown and there weren't many openings in TPUs for AG Corps 2LTs, never mind funding for OBC and other training. I also turned down a Direct Commission as an Ensign, Supply Corps, USNR in 2010 to reamin an ANG E-8. Make the best decision you can based on the facts at hand and never look back - keep moving forward. Everything usually works out the way it is supposed to. I've had a great career as an NCO and wouldn't trade it for anything.
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I was never "offered" that as such, however my whole attitude in joining at all, and seeking the "Guaranteed 0300 contract" (I was an 0351) was pretty much about "Hey someone's gotta do their time on the line, and I'm wiling to man up and do mine", so the idea of hiding from potential combat under the mask of the college environment and delaying my entry just didn't work for me. Don't get me wrong I don't "hate Officers" per se, but we all know there were those few who went to college to avoid some potentially dicey action that may have been going on when they finished HS.
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Yes, I was offered to go to the Naval Academy because of high GT scores. I didn't want to sign the 10 year contract. Not too smart because I ended up serving way more than that. I should add that I applied to become a warrant officer two years and didn't get it. Affirmative action was strong in those days and people weren't promoted because of their skills or time in grade.
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