Posted on May 30, 2017
Do combat arms soldiers look down on fellow combat arms brethren if they have deployed and not been awarded a combat badge/medal/ribbon?
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It seems like something so trivial, but is just deploying and doing your job enough to keep the respect of your combat arms peers? Does the fact that you were hit by an IED on a convoy, close enough to a falling mortar round, or engaged by small arms fire really make one a more qualified combat arms soldier? What are thoughts on those who were never in the wrong place at the wrong time?
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Well I say deployed combat experience speaks for itself. I am Combat infantry and yes I did and as a contractor do look differently at those with no CIB or Combat patch or specialty badges as enhanced training and skills that are needed in the field and in combat. Reality is those that fight and survive and do it again have the real skills that the Army is looking for in the War Zone that we are fighting in now.
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CPT William Jones
When I hear a service member today say deployed I ask where because deployed means stationed outside the USA when they say Iraq I cay how long. They say 4 tours ( I spent 32 months RVN 2 tour plus) I ask how long because tours to SEA were from 6 weeks to 15 months that’s a big difference. Was sitting around bsing with my son and friends on his first trip over and one youn Sgt said this would be his 4 th tour I asked how long. 24 months. He was starting his 5 and when it was completed he would have one led month than me. As I only had two plus a short extension of 6 months. Different times.
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It's stupid and childish for those with a CAB/CIB ect to treat others as if they're subpar. Do they treat those in PSD like that? Or the ones at the gallery? I hope not, because not everyone in the military is there to be certified BAMFs. Some just want to be a part of something bigger. If your ego is in such a bad need of a stroke that you have to use a decoration as a means to degrade others than you joined for the wrong reason.
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I personally did not look down on people that had not seen combat, however I would get looked down on all the time because I did not feel the need to wear my CAB on my uniform, and being with a infantry unit, it was fun. I was the FO for them and did the same shit as them but because they thought that I had not seen combat I was still way below them that and I was a POG. That all changed when we had a ASU inspection, lets say after that I did not hear a word from anyone anymore.
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CPT George Ruzicka
Was called back into the Army Reserves in 1970 (active duty 66-69 with a year in Vietnam) into a infantry training unit. I was the only engineer with everyone else being infantry. Caught a lot of grief for being a POG & was definitely looked down upon. That changed immediately when we had an inspection and had to wear class A's with ribbons, etc. Many of these guys had not been on active duty, most had not been in Vietnam so there were no CIB's, no "in country" ribbons & no valor awards. After this inspection I was treated totally different and got no more grief.
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CPT William Jones
That’s what they forget about some of us that match them step for step just a few feet away but we are not 11B mos. an old combat engineer
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Haha!! I’ve had a couple make comments to me about my CAB. I’ve even had a few comment about me being a FOBBIT. They’re idiots. I troll them, too. Yeah, I never took one step off of the safety of the FOB. Not once in five deployments. For real...I flew Apaches...we were in the air. Funny, though...I never heard one 11B or spec op dude complaining about us when we’d show up to bail them out of a bad situation
I’d say that most guys that have been around a bit, though, realize it takes all pieces to make the puzzle work. I couldn’t do my mission without refuelers, armament dogs, flight ops personnel, crew chiefs, cooks, etc...
And if the cards just didn’t fall the certain way, and one person was involved in something and someone else wasn’t...that wasn’t their fault.
However...just don’t talk too much shit about how bad you had it, or how you got your CAB by being involved in incoming when you were several hundred meters away from it. Don’t be that guy. Or girl.
I’d say that most guys that have been around a bit, though, realize it takes all pieces to make the puzzle work. I couldn’t do my mission without refuelers, armament dogs, flight ops personnel, crew chiefs, cooks, etc...
And if the cards just didn’t fall the certain way, and one person was involved in something and someone else wasn’t...that wasn’t their fault.
However...just don’t talk too much shit about how bad you had it, or how you got your CAB by being involved in incoming when you were several hundred meters away from it. Don’t be that guy. Or girl.
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I’ve know Officers and NCOs who pass out CARs like candy as soon as they hear the first holstile shot or IDF impact. They’re just trying to build a nice rack.
I’ve also witnessed vehicles hit by IEDs and a Marine who killed an intruder while on post and didn’t get anything.
Sometimes it depends on the units adgenda.
I’ve also witnessed vehicles hit by IEDs and a Marine who killed an intruder while on post and didn’t get anything.
Sometimes it depends on the units adgenda.
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I spent 14 years on active duty during the Cold War. I was US Navy at the time, and the greatest threat was Soviet ballistic missile submarines. As a Sonar tech on a tin can, we were often deployed closest to the Soviet Union as an early warning for the carrier. If the balloon ever went up, we would be the first to know. Our job was to stay afloat long enough to get out a flash message. No, most of us never heard a shot fired in anger. However, every mother's son and daughter slept safely at night because we put our lives on the line.
Do I Honor my brothers and sisters who are combat veterans? Yes. Does that make our offerings at the altar any less worthy? No. All gave some, some gave all.
Do I Honor my brothers and sisters who are combat veterans? Yes. Does that make our offerings at the altar any less worthy? No. All gave some, some gave all.
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I personally will cut jokes and poke some fun towards the other branches but at the end of the day anyone who steps foot into a combat zone deserves equal recognition unless you were awarded the Purple Heart bronze star, or etc. for being injured or killed or injured killed trying to to save brothers or sisters in arms!
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Some units go OCONUS to pull support missions, and never see any real action, i.e. they never get off the FOB. Some of these can be smaller leg infantry units that usualy are not trusted to go out on real missions. But they can guard!! Sorry guys, no you don't get the same respect unless you take rounds while you're there. If you're not out ever night kicking in doors like all your brothers from Light Infantry units and SOCOM, you are not shit, so don't expect to be treated like some kind of operator for sitting in a hesco shack, drinking coffee & watching a beautiful sunset, while over looking an open wasteland.
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MSG James Devereaux
Very few are doing the deed and hearing guys say “we did the same as the 11bs” kinda pisses me off. Less your job is kill the enemy with direct fire then you ain’t. As I see it only two men on the battlefield have that distinction and the rest are there to support them.
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I as a combat veteran have no animosity towards those who have not served in combat. We are still all BROTHERS IN ARMS.
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I was AF admin and I know just being AF I get looked at sideways...but is it weird or wrong for someone like me who never saw combat and only went to Manas to feel guilty about not having been in combat?
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SPC Robert Patrick
You only get looked at sideways because we wish we had chosen the Air Force lol. The whole the grass is always greener on the other side./
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SrA Christopher Giles
SPC Robert Patrick lol tbh though after two years I was trying to blue to green
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MSG James Devereaux
You should be proud of your service. Combat or not, there’s nothing more noble than an American serving their nation. Be proud
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