Posted on May 30, 2017
Do combat arms soldiers look down on fellow combat arms brethren if they have deployed and not been awarded a combat badge/medal/ribbon?
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It seems like something so trivial, but is just deploying and doing your job enough to keep the respect of your combat arms peers? Does the fact that you were hit by an IED on a convoy, close enough to a falling mortar round, or engaged by small arms fire really make one a more qualified combat arms soldier? What are thoughts on those who were never in the wrong place at the wrong time?
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I have an EIB, CIB and a master parachutist badge. Earning those as an 11B paratrooper was a natural course of action. Have I and do I poke fun at fellow service members? Hell yes I have. I believe I have earned that right. That being said, I will NOT tolerate civilians disrespecting any service member no matter what their MOS/job was. The US armed forces works as team that is respected globally. The oath of enlistment/re-enlistment is a very serious thing ( think of the COL and senior AF NCO's disciplined over the puppet oath).
I look down upon no one who writes that blank check to the American people (including death if needed), when they join the armed forces.
I look down upon no one who writes that blank check to the American people (including death if needed), when they join the armed forces.
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My experience you better be careful who you look down your nose at. Seen way too many given awards they never earned.
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For the most part, you do not get to pick your assignment. As a soldier, marine, airman, sailor or Coast Guard, you go, and do what they tell you to do. You try to do it as best you can for God and Country and your fellows. That's the way I felt about it anyway.
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It’s not a matter of looking down on those who hav not been in combat. It is a matter of looking up to those who have been put to the test and performed as they should.
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In all deference to those who have posted previously, a lot of the friction seems to stem from WHAT is missing and from where. When I completed my first deployment, it was with the CMB. One afternoon I was sent to do a supply drop to another aid station in our Regiment. The conversation was about signing up people for EFMB training, and I declined the opportunity with enthusiasm and probably in the vernacular that being a line medic had imparted. Their PSG called me on why I wouldn't want to achieve this great honor... I told him that his unwreathed badge took him 14 days to earn, and involved jumping through hoops in training. Mine took me a year off getting shot at, mortared, and then treating a casualty in the middle of a mine field. Obviously, I know my job, and his little test wasn't worth my effort.
Let's be honest. When a new troop arrives at a unit, peer assessment takes place. If i see a plethora of combat patches from Brigade or lower units, I feel more comfortable than if one crusty SSG is wearing a 3rd Armored patch and he is the de facto grizzled warrior that all the young kids go to for war stories... if I walk into a sea of flintlocks without any wreathes, and they are approaching deployment orders, I fear for my safety because I know that somewhere in that unit is a leader who THINKS he's hardcore and is mistaken, and whose Joes will be keeping me busy as a result.
Let's be honest. When a new troop arrives at a unit, peer assessment takes place. If i see a plethora of combat patches from Brigade or lower units, I feel more comfortable than if one crusty SSG is wearing a 3rd Armored patch and he is the de facto grizzled warrior that all the young kids go to for war stories... if I walk into a sea of flintlocks without any wreathes, and they are approaching deployment orders, I fear for my safety because I know that somewhere in that unit is a leader who THINKS he's hardcore and is mistaken, and whose Joes will be keeping me busy as a result.
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For me it don’t matter. We all held different positions on the same team. We all had our jobs working to accomplish the same objective.
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I always viewed all military personnel with respect. All served. That should be enough. We are all a Band of Brothers and Sisters.
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There has always been a healthy amount of rivalry between Combat Arms, Combat Support, and Combat Service Support Soldiers. Combat is no respecter of persons. As the Gulf War and OIF/OEF proved, you dont have to hold a particular MOS to be engaged by the enemy. I always taught my Soldiers, Combat and CS/CSS that the ratio of support for a warrior is five to one. That means that the driver, the fueler, the maintainer, the ordnance provider, the transporter, the medic, and the personelist in a warzone all have a right to be proud of their service. The word of God reminds me: Let no man think more highly of himself than he ought to and that: Pride goeth before a fall. The Army itself is to blame for allowing an unhealthy climate to exist between badge wearers and non wearers. A badge, especially the way they are given out these days, does not make one Soldier better than another. As a Combat Aviator my service takes a back seat to no one. Though I am proud of my wings and Air Medals I never looked down on a non wearer. As leaders we have a responsibility to build and develop ALL our Soldiers and not allow those we lead to think they are better than others.
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I don't have a CAR, not for lack of trying, but for lack of any major wars or battles after 1991.
Do I view those with a Combat Action Ribbon, badge, etc differently?
You are damned right I do, though our training during peacetime may have been the same, my experience in battle is ZERO, whereas if you trained beside me and I you, then you took fire and returned fire, you bet I look up to you and look at you differently, you experienced what I wanted and for what I enlisted for!
Wear you CAR, CIB, CAB or Medal proudly you are the elite!
Do I view those with a Combat Action Ribbon, badge, etc differently?
You are damned right I do, though our training during peacetime may have been the same, my experience in battle is ZERO, whereas if you trained beside me and I you, then you took fire and returned fire, you bet I look up to you and look at you differently, you experienced what I wanted and for what I enlisted for!
Wear you CAR, CIB, CAB or Medal proudly you are the elite!
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I definitely don't look down on them. They still did their time as well and took the same oath that I did. We are different though and I can understand that there is a few differences and sometimes can be a little tough to relate just because of the combat experience but it doesn't take anything away from their service.
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