Posted on Dec 14, 2020
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This is the second time I’ve gotten reprimanded for this situation. I was walking with a binder in my hands, and a mug in the other hand. I walked past a CSM and a CPT, greeted both as I was unable to salute. CSM stopped me and demanded that I drop everything to salute the CPT. AR 600-25 states that I am not required to render a salute if I am carrying articles with both hands. What is the right answer?
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hand whatever you are holding in your right hand to the CSM and salute......
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TSgt Infantryman
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Maybe, but it sounds like a spill looking to happen. Followed with folder on ground.
Have you actually walked a short distance testing your idea?
I still say, Honor, follow and obey the regs.
Be nice if a JAG jumped into our chat.
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SPC Stuart Robertson
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
SSgt Joseph Baptist
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Coffee addiction is a serious problem in the military.
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
SSgt Joseph Baptist
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TSgt (Join to see) - "What are the options? Give-up the coffee"

Yes. There is no need to be drinking coffee outside of the dining facility or the break area. The fact that the SM's poor choice to carry it prevented them form observing basic customs and courtesies shows that this is a problem. The fact that people see the coffee mug as a valid excuse shows how widespread the problem has become.

Slackers have used the "carrying a cup of coffee" excuse for generations to avoid doing their fair share of the job.

If you can't make it through the duty day without coffee, nicotine, alcohol, weed, methamphetamines, cocaine, heroin, or other addictive substances, do you really belong in the military?
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SFC Observer   Controller/Trainer (Oc/T)
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Stop carrying stuff in your right hand. Was I the only one taught that the right hand was unofficially forbidden from carrying stuff? =o)
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TSgt Gary McPherson
TSgt Gary McPherson
1 mo
As a former Marine here is what I and most others did.If both hands were truly full I would great the officer nod my head and say Good afternoon sir or what ever.Any officer in their right mind can see and understand hands full.in many cases the officer would return a salute and give a greating back.
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SSG Ralph Watkins
SSG Ralph Watkins
1 mo
I've been retired 10 years. I am just now trying to break myself of the habit of leaving my right hand free.
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LCpl Sidney Green
LCpl Sidney Green
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TSgt Gary McPherson - We were told you don't need to stop and put stuff down then salute. Just render an acknowledgement to the officer.
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
SSgt Joseph Baptist
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MSG Richard Medina - "He was carrying a binder in his left hand and a cup in his right. Please explain where he would put the cup at while "walking" by the CSM and CPT."

A professional would have put the cup on the table in the mess hall or break room - or at their work station. MY NCOs drilled that into me.

The definition of an un fit slacker is the servicemember idling along with a coffee cup in one hand, and a cigarette in the other. This was a fashion amongst many low quality NCOs I encountered during my career.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
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The right answer is not to put yourself in those situations if possible. Seriously.
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MSG Thomas Currie
MSG Thomas Currie
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LTC (Join to see) - considering that this so-called "Soldier" admits having been corrected for the same infraction twice and describes a situation in which she had only two items (which could have easily been carried in one hand) but chose to separate them just to keep both hands occupied, nothing about her situation falls within the reg's stated exception of saluting being impractical.

Everything about her whining strikes me as a deliberately contrived situation intended to see if she could provoke a correction to whine about. I find it very hard to believe that you could spend several years as a 12C without having encountered this attitude more than once in your career.
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
SSgt Joseph Baptist
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The coffee mug should have been on a table in the mess hall, break area, or the soldier's work area.

Would you have responded differently if the OP had stated: "I was walking with a candy bar in one hand, and a Playboy magazine in the other, when I came across an officer, and was unable to salute them because my hands were full."
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
SSgt Joseph Baptist
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When I was stationed at Iraklion AS in Greece, where there was no DinFac, and I had no car, I would regularly carry two bags of groceries home from the Commissary - but I would change into civilian clothes before going grocery shopping.
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PFC Trey Peterson
PFC Trey Peterson
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Correct Lt Col Charlie Brown.
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