Posted on Apr 27, 2016
Do the chain of command have the authority to make a soldier take an APFT every month if their score is not 250 and above?
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Active Army and AGR Soldiers are required to take 2 RECORD APFTs per year. There is a minimum requirement for 4 months in between them. Reserve Soldiers are required to take only one, but most commanders have a requirement for them to do it twice. Diagnostic APFTs are a commander's tool to gauge a unit's fitness. They can be administered as many times as they feel the need to.
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MSG (Join to see) - MSG, making 250 points a goal is appropriate, but it is not a standard. I am sure there is more to this story, however, simply making a soldier complete a monthly PT test because they did not make some made up goal seems unreasonable.
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I don't disagree. I am just commenting on what I have seen. I would certainly not advise a commander to do this, but sometimes they have their own ideas.
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Put it on the training calendar or make it part of a unit SOP for physical fitness improvement program and you bet.
Wake up each morning and think...today? ya why not.. Sure that too.. though the first is a much more professional and organized way to see results.
The APFT as a standalone event is a terribly physical training event.....so doing that event as the days physical training is a waste of time.
Using a Diag APFT monthly as a measure of general fitness to determine if the SM should continue with remedial PT would be best done in a positive light ... I would (did) make it optional monthly .. the program had a Diag set for 90 days after entering the remedial PT program... If a SM wanted to opt out of the remedial program, they could request a APFT.
Correctly resourcing an APFT monthly is a huge waste of time unless there is a valid need.. Like say you are running an HHBN at teh DIV or CORPS level, and in order to cycle through all that leadership and supporters with a record APFT annually, you may need to due one each week for 3 months, or one a month for 6 months.
In theory the HHBN company commander is in charge and has the authority to stop all daily business and order a Company APFT . The reality is, life at the DIV or CORPS level does not stop for anything... Taskings, info requirements, reports due, investigations ordered from higher all still come pouring in every hour, of every day. And that takes the primary staff, the department chiefs,. the other leaders, and all of the supporting staff to some degree.
Wake up each morning and think...today? ya why not.. Sure that too.. though the first is a much more professional and organized way to see results.
The APFT as a standalone event is a terribly physical training event.....so doing that event as the days physical training is a waste of time.
Using a Diag APFT monthly as a measure of general fitness to determine if the SM should continue with remedial PT would be best done in a positive light ... I would (did) make it optional monthly .. the program had a Diag set for 90 days after entering the remedial PT program... If a SM wanted to opt out of the remedial program, they could request a APFT.
Correctly resourcing an APFT monthly is a huge waste of time unless there is a valid need.. Like say you are running an HHBN at teh DIV or CORPS level, and in order to cycle through all that leadership and supporters with a record APFT annually, you may need to due one each week for 3 months, or one a month for 6 months.
In theory the HHBN company commander is in charge and has the authority to stop all daily business and order a Company APFT . The reality is, life at the DIV or CORPS level does not stop for anything... Taskings, info requirements, reports due, investigations ordered from higher all still come pouring in every hour, of every day. And that takes the primary staff, the department chiefs,. the other leaders, and all of the supporting staff to some degree.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SFC (Join to see) So tell us Sergeant,,,, are you a closet MFT? Or preaching and leading?...LOL
I attended MFT school in 1989 at Benning, then assisted in teaching the class in 1991 at Fort Ord, was planning on an assignment at MFT school, but the Army had other ideas.
My Point you ask?????lol.. We use to say, after graduation,,,, don't take all that new hard won knowledge and leave it in the closet... Work, make your chain of command understand what you have to offer... help them understand you can make thier life easier by providing a PT program that will breeze though the BN, BDE training cander scrub with no rebukes from higher, AND if support by ALL leaders in the unit... make for a much more fit unit.
I attended MFT school in 1989 at Benning, then assisted in teaching the class in 1991 at Fort Ord, was planning on an assignment at MFT school, but the Army had other ideas.
My Point you ask?????lol.. We use to say, after graduation,,,, don't take all that new hard won knowledge and leave it in the closet... Work, make your chain of command understand what you have to offer... help them understand you can make thier life easier by providing a PT program that will breeze though the BN, BDE training cander scrub with no rebukes from higher, AND if support by ALL leaders in the unit... make for a much more fit unit.
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SGM Erik Marquez - Well SGM, I'm the MFT for the State of Florida and work directly with the State Surgon Generals office. I have designed many BN's fitness programs and have a great track record. I am also active in sending out a monthly Health & Fitness Newsletter to the entire State which include all MACOM's. Also, I'm not only a MFT but I have an Associates in Sports Medicine & Fitness Technology, a Bachelors in Exercise Science, I'm a CSCS registered with the National Strength and Conditioning Association as well as a POSE certification to name a few. Thank you though, I believe I have a magnificent track record.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SFC (Join to see) - I think you took that the wrong way.... I was praising, not criticising... That you mentioned you were an MFT and understood the APFT is not training, clearly indicated to me you were not a closet MFT.
I apologize if you took it otherwise.
I apologize if you took it otherwise.
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SGM Erik Marquez - I apologize SGM, I definitely voted it up. I totally agree with you and to say bring the expertise to the Commanders i definitely am trying to beyond my chain of command. We only can hope they are acceptable for the help. Thank you
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Technically, the commander can have as many diagnostic APFTs as he/she deems appropriate.
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SFC John Hill
SGM Debra Bradshaw - FYI, AR 350-1 Training-Army Training and Leader Development; Appendix G–9. Physical readiness training Para m (2) Commanders may administer the APFT as often as they wish; however, they must specify beforehand when the results are for record.
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