Posted on Mar 9, 2015
Do the misdeeds of a few lead to mass punishment (i.e. "training") of the many?
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I'm sure everyone has seen, read, or heard about the article ("Culture of Lying") that says officers in the Army lie to protect their reputations or their missions. My question is how long will it be until we are all force to sit through six hours of monotonous training to "fix" this problem?
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MAJ (Join to see)
Mass punishment is against regulations, however, there is a very fine line between mass punishment and training.
There is no doubt that the Army (and probably the other services) will be required to undergo additional training as a result of the study. It is the age old issue of "he got the cancer and we all got the cure".
Mass punishment is against regulations, however, there is a very fine line between mass punishment and training.
There is no doubt that the Army (and probably the other services) will be required to undergo additional training as a result of the study. It is the age old issue of "he got the cancer and we all got the cure".
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MAJ (Join to see)
Very true, sir. It just feels like mass punishment sitting through six hours of training for something I neither condone nor practice because of the misdeeds of some individuals. I like your analogy about we all get the cure!
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MAJ William Frobe,
With all due respect and although it is against written regulations, it does and has occurred. In my personal experience deployed with my own battalion to Iraq in 2005-2006, we were ordered to undergo prevention of sexual harassment training (referred to as POSH Training about a 4-hour block of instruction, if I recall correctly) as a battalion by LSAA JAG and our brigade higher headquarters after multiple incidents reported as occuring within various levels of the Bn chain of command (from a male HCT Leader exposing their p**** to a female SPC up to and including our own male BN CSM who LSAA JAG officially investigated for repeated harassment of the BN Property Book OIC, a female CW2). Although in 2006 when this happened, there were several prominent sexual harassment/assault cases where there was censure (officer level), loss of rank (JR NCO level) or both (SR NCO level). The fact remains that it continues to be reported on in ever worsening and more widespread cases across the military diaspora of moral turpitude (where there are overtly disparate Officer, Senior NCO and Junior NCO punitive actions) means that such public revelations undermines our great professional military image to the public and that it directly reflects and/or represents a perceived egregious failure in organizational leadership that tarnishes the very foundational principles our respective Professions across DoD are representative of, JMHO once more... FYI, it was especially distressing as a then twice deployed Junior NCO to feel powerless to prevent such reprehensible acts much less feel that your Chain of Command was enabling at best or condoning at worse by failure to act above CO level or below BDE (Brigade not only acted in a concerted and timely manner in the short-term, but also decisively and aggessively in the long-term by its' punitive actions taken and imposed for these egregious leadership failures at BN level on each and every leader deemed to have failed to lead at BN and HHSC)
With all due respect and although it is against written regulations, it does and has occurred. In my personal experience deployed with my own battalion to Iraq in 2005-2006, we were ordered to undergo prevention of sexual harassment training (referred to as POSH Training about a 4-hour block of instruction, if I recall correctly) as a battalion by LSAA JAG and our brigade higher headquarters after multiple incidents reported as occuring within various levels of the Bn chain of command (from a male HCT Leader exposing their p**** to a female SPC up to and including our own male BN CSM who LSAA JAG officially investigated for repeated harassment of the BN Property Book OIC, a female CW2). Although in 2006 when this happened, there were several prominent sexual harassment/assault cases where there was censure (officer level), loss of rank (JR NCO level) or both (SR NCO level). The fact remains that it continues to be reported on in ever worsening and more widespread cases across the military diaspora of moral turpitude (where there are overtly disparate Officer, Senior NCO and Junior NCO punitive actions) means that such public revelations undermines our great professional military image to the public and that it directly reflects and/or represents a perceived egregious failure in organizational leadership that tarnishes the very foundational principles our respective Professions across DoD are representative of, JMHO once more... FYI, it was especially distressing as a then twice deployed Junior NCO to feel powerless to prevent such reprehensible acts much less feel that your Chain of Command was enabling at best or condoning at worse by failure to act above CO level or below BDE (Brigade not only acted in a concerted and timely manner in the short-term, but also decisively and aggessively in the long-term by its' punitive actions taken and imposed for these egregious leadership failures at BN level on each and every leader deemed to have failed to lead at BN and HHSC)
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Although not everyone lies (at least not major lies), everyone is capable of lying. Training is done as a means of hopefully addressing the problems before they start. The issue is getting people to actually take training seriously. Most people don't care, get bored and don't pay attention. Having an all day training event isn't going to help as you can only talk about something for so long before it starts getting repetitive as with the Sexual Assault training we do. After about the first hour when you are still talking about the same subject people get bored and angry that they are still sitting there listening to someone drone on. They probably aren't taking much from the brief because at this point they are thinking about what they are going to do when the speaker finally wraps it up.
It probably won't be long until we all (Officers and Enlisted) have to go through training on this. Until it happens I hope that they work out a better method of delivery other than the 6 hours of the same thing with little work groups where no one is actually working on anything other than where they are going to go get lunch.
It probably won't be long until we all (Officers and Enlisted) have to go through training on this. Until it happens I hope that they work out a better method of delivery other than the 6 hours of the same thing with little work groups where no one is actually working on anything other than where they are going to go get lunch.
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