Posted on Sep 8, 2017
Do you believe counseling soldiers has better results than making them do PT?
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I've noticed that soldiers are always different especially when taking punishment. But with the army going away from "smoke sessions" I've noticed a drastic drop in discipline in soldiers. The new generation does not care about counseling statements in my opinion, and the leadership is so focused on kicking them out instead of molding them into better people and better soldiers. Thoughts???
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PT all the way. Positive reinforcement through consequences to action is always the best way. If you want to talk it to death, call your mama or granny.
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We don't need to waste money training soldiers and kicking them out for silly shit... make soldiers out of their asses do what we did in my day... open the scunion cafee all they can eat buffet.
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I think they need to keep family out of military. Its always those military moms getting mad that their son was punished or how he was punished. That and keep politics out also let the army do what they got to do. Soft people aint gunna do theor job or train how they fight. Ask questions during war people die just do your job go home and repeat. You join volenterrly if you dont like it get the fuck out but in the mean time do your job or get fucked up. Me as a sgt those people i wrote up and pressed for ar15s for any and everything i could i dont want pussies in our ranks time to bring back the old army.
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When it comes to correcting a Soldier, an NCO must know the Soldier. Some Soldiers can be quickly corrected through some PT - sure worked for me, because I knew from the very beginning that anything on paper was going to be a bad thing, and a few min of some exercise or pain would do the trick. Some soldiers. getting smoked just doesn't work, they either get mad, are already a PT stud so its not doing anything, or they don't get it. Counseling may work for them, some soldiers need to have things broken down and explained - not a screaming full of expletives, but an actual discussion about why it was wrong.
There are other soldiers where neither works, and it is YOUR JOB as an NCO to know your soldiers and know how to get through to them.
There are other soldiers where neither works, and it is YOUR JOB as an NCO to know your soldiers and know how to get through to them.
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I was in the old army,when u did what you were told or were disciplined. And I left when it started changing just because of that
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I think that if a soldier wants to be a better soldier then he/she will be a better soldier self motivation to exceed the standards will bring a soldier on track. However, if there is no drive for self improvement then as an NCO or OFFICER you won’t be able to help your soldier self improve.
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All true. Still think creative corrective training is the best. No need to go medieval but a good smoke session or barracks cleaning after hours always got my attention in the 80’s.
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Smoke sessions made me into the soldier I am i would rather see more smoke sessions than people being kicked for no incentive
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I think all services are headed downward mainly because of misdirected priorities. Too much PC and loss of focus on primary mission. Academy officers that do not realize the value of senior NCO's.
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I think that you can mold your soldiers with discipline and encouragement without having to destroy morale. I think that if you enlist, then you should know what you are signing in for and not expect a walk in the park. But I did notice when I got to my duty station that there is a lot indiscipline and leadership taking a liking to these undisciplined mostly younger soldiers and isolating the disciplined and quiet ones. To me it was taking care of business, not being antisocial, but maturity and discipline first while NCO’s are shooting the shit with these kids, that really took the air out of me. More discipline and less fraternizing in my opinion.
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