Posted on Sep 8, 2017
SGT Andrew Dejesus
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I've noticed that soldiers are always different especially when taking punishment. But with the army going away from "smoke sessions" I've noticed a drastic drop in discipline in soldiers. The new generation does not care about counseling statements in my opinion, and the leadership is so focused on kicking them out instead of molding them into better people and better soldiers. Thoughts???
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SGT George Duncan
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depends on situation both are needed as a teacher you must learn when
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SGT Stephen Jaffe
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I was in the Army from Feb. 1965 through Oct. 1968. I was in basic at Ft. Jackson. In those days, going into the military was the first step a boy experienced on the journey to becoming a man. No disrepect to our female troops, but this was in the old days. For a guy to mess-up in the Army was just unheard of. Imagine how embarrassing that would be.Our DIs were pretty tough. Our CO was a captain who had been in 'Nam as an advisor. The CO and the DIs didn't take any crap. There were no discipline problems. In 8 weeks you were transformed from a civilian to a soldier. You looked like a soldier and acted like a soldier. There is something to be said for tough DIs who don't put up with any crap.
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
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I commented just previously about counseling sessions good for the mind and P.T. For the body and I stand by that.. turn a counseling session into a positive re-enforcement. It can be done... i’ve Had a few over time that thought their beauty sleep was more important than being in the kitchen with their fellow cooks getting breakfast ready.. well we can readjust your schedule and have you come in a half hour later , but you stay an hour later.. with me. I got paperwork to do... getting my Senior cook requisition together.. closing the cooksheet out.. getting the next day’s cook sheet ready with who will be where.. in fact it’d be good for you, I’d say.. I’d then say they got the potential.. I’ve seen it.. show me some more, ok? I seen you stop by an area and straighten it up before going on break.. and s’body walked off.. and then not complain.. and they’ve told the person confidentially about their mess-up.. (I’ve told them also, but more on a written form, maybe). I liked scheduling Airmen to work with me as 1st Cooks.. up their leadership skill when the regular 1st Cook is on their day off or gone for appointment. As for P.T. .. set up a 2 on 2 pick up game of basket-ball at hoops outside.. at the park. I have a quick extra-curricular head banging meeting and then shoot the hoops.. Have Met with some at the Base gym at the weight room.. Trying to make the P.T. Entertaining, not punishing., making it a team-work session.. (sneaky, yes?). As for counseling.. I make it a team thing when it involves s’thing that happened on the shift.. more of a mediation session..
how We can help each other be better Airmen. ... assign peer partners.. I tried one time,.... took a chance and assigned two sleeping beauties to each other to get each other into work on time.... at 0430. I made it a dare between both of them. and held them to it.. Their rooms were just down the hall from each other.. they literally ran into each other.. one was just leaving his room snd the other was just about to the other Airman’s door.. had no more probs getting them to work on time..
one of the scary things was it was spring and turning clocks up an hour that Sunday morn’g. The outcome of my mediation counseling was that the Airmen took responsibility for helping each other be better Airmen.. I stressed to them that s’times it might seem like their peer is coming on a little strong because they mistakenly interpreted their fellow Airman having a bad time. That’s why they first ask if there’s a problem before stepping in.. offer to talk about it.. and at the same time help them get their task done. Just make sure one’s own task is done.. and... nobody’s done, until we all are done! ...
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
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Counseling is mental health.. P.T. Is physical both work for the body.. counseling isn’t going to do much for humping that 50lb rucksack.
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Back when ships where wood and men where steel seems to pop up in my mind. Then I think about my family crest for on it are three Lions which represents three Lions that the first Irishman killed with his bare hands at the same time. He was the second to the last Pharaohs General, contemporary to King Solomon. Makes me wonder how tough a man was back in those days. Seems mankind is getting weaker as we progress. I guess they'll want to start wearing vagina hats next.
Frank Leverett
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Personally, with the current snowflake generation, it's not really worth it, as they're dead set on being a snowflake and therefore special, so it's better to cut them loose, then enjoy the show as they bitch when not hired due to washing out.
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SGT Carl Blas
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In 1972 Fort Bragg, a few days with (CCF) Conduct Correctional Facilities worked just find. In essence a motivation unit.
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SGT Sabrina Quiroz
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In peace time I think the military becomes more picky about who gets enlisted
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LTC John Bush
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Not mutually exclusive I always did both. Young soldiers in particular have the grasp the concept that their actions have consequences and they and they alone put themselves in the situation they are in.
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MSG John Duchesneau
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Different people respond to different approaches. What good is a counseling statement? Its just words on a piece of paper. Old fashioned things like smoke sessions and KP work because they are uncomfortable.
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