Do you believe counseling soldiers has better results than making them do PT?

So as a young soldier on his way to becoming an NCO I completely agree NCO’s would rather just get a soldier out than mold that soldier into what he/she needs to be.

PT more it makes them stronger physically and mentally. Nothing like a strong disciplined mind

Personally I have seen soldiers react to both. Some understand what negative counseling can lead to and other just hate getting smoked. I also think leaders as a whole have forgotten how to mentor to their subordinates to the point where they remain stagnant and don't wear in the next duty position. I personally hate counseling soldiers at the end of the month because I see it as a waste of time and you can easily just tell them how they preformed.

I got smoked everyday at BCT even when It was graduation, I been in for 2 years and the discipline is still their

I know I’m not in fully yet. I am a cadet at the University of Tennessee. I’m in my last year of officer training and every year we receive a new batch of freshman cadets. Our LTC, CPT, SFC, and Master Sergeant are all becoming increasingly relaxed with customs, courtesies, and discipline. As cadets, smoke sessions never occur. I think and can see that without the strict discipline a military needs, these kids are becoming relaxed.

Hell no paper work is bull shit take us to the wood line. I am disappointed in the lack of discipline after joining it isn’t what I thought and I for one was raised with it. I’m only a private and I can tell ya I’d way rather get smoked if I mess up. But it’s nit hard to do the right thing and avoid getting fucked up. So pushing paper work for every little thing is stupid and only screws soldiers over

Un like any other frat Gov. Brotherhood s rely on a balance of constant discipline and love whether in P.t or at a juke joint.

I totally agree that we lack much discipline nowadays. Especially from those SM coming out of AIT. I also have to say that due to NCO punishment limitations, its difficult to punish Soldiers without getting in trouble; therefore, causing them to just wait for Solfiers to mess up pretty bad in order to get rid of them.

It all depends on the person you are dealing with. I was in the Corps from 2006-2010 took a seven year break and came back into the military, Army this time. Not knowing how the Army was during the time I was in the Corps I have found it to be pretty soft during my time in the Army. I see some of the NCOs give a soldier a choice between doing physical stuff or take a counseling. I also see NCOs that do this but do not help the soldier better himself. Have one now where he took a smoke but they resorted to do hand him nothing but counselings now. It hasn’t worked, so I stepped granted I came in as a Specialist and started mentoring the kid actually talking to him finding out what his issues are and telling him what he needs to do to better himself and it has been working. As someone stated in one of their posts. NCOs like to punish the person more than trying to help the person out. Every person is different just have to find out which will better them and not set them up to fail.

I think either could work depending on the person. The younger men and women who are still learning would probably benefit more from getting some physical training. The older more career oriented ones would probably better put in line if evaluations and permanent record were in jeapordy. I could also imagine a scenario where ‘smoking’ a more senior person may be so embarrassing it could have a large effect as well. Like I said, this would probably better be applied case by case. I have done many different unit types including a Company Commander (That’s Drill Instructor) in Coast Guard terms, and something I’ve noticed over the last 16 years is that it seems leadership has become more self serving. Maybe this has something to do with the motivation levels of our soldiers. It’s just the same way that children emulate their parents.