Posted on Apr 17, 2018
Do you believe it is ok for active service members to degrade the POTUS on RP?
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I have seen where many veterans have been making degrading remarks about the President of the United States. However, I also have seen threads where actively serving members, verified by RP, are making disparaging remarks.
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
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CSM JIM WHITE, Ret.
Istand behind what I say with my name. There is always a time for soldiers to express their concerns and feelings. To each other, chaplains, leaders but never in away that advises the enemy, political, news persons or any place it could get to the public as you are against your President. However when you are sworn in there is never a time that you are anyone else says you must give up your 1st Amendment rights.
What is concerning is how the President states make this country great again and he keeps tearing down people, organizations, soldiers, within our country and keeps using the word "I" in everything that he does and not the word "We" to institute gratefulness and includes those who actually allows him to enjoy his position. I am not for Obama in no way because of his hidden agenda and he was an expert in communication where President Trump although never had to, but needs to listen to his people, especially VP Pence in his tactics and communication, but he continues to refuse.
The other issue is the big "ME" parade on veterans day. What a waste of money and slodiers that could spend time with their families and we do not have to watch, "STALIN" (Who was the first to do this, Russian Dictator) up on his podium watching himself spend millions of dollars of hardworking citizens to give him a rise within himself of jubilation.
The only way you can make a country great again is to go back to our roots and
ALL parties regardless of political affiliation to do what's good for the country. Letting anyone in the country at anytime from any source is not good, not having a great and world class military ready with the equipment, funding and resources is not good, not opening education and dropping cost for our young folks is not good. Our young graduates is uneducated highly compared to China even our own Home Schools. Why we have allowed our teachers to avoid teaching and preach pass SOL and you graduate, period. On and on we need to get back to our roots and get folks off welfare instead of paying Iran who has paid N.Korea to help with there nulclear program. This is just a touch of the tip of the iceberg. Last TERM LIMITS OF 8 YEARS. This will stop the folks who run just to get rich. All lobbists funds go in to a pool and each person gets the same amount when running. Anyone excepting funds from any lobbists make it a federal crime with automatic 5 years in prison.
Istand behind what I say with my name. There is always a time for soldiers to express their concerns and feelings. To each other, chaplains, leaders but never in away that advises the enemy, political, news persons or any place it could get to the public as you are against your President. However when you are sworn in there is never a time that you are anyone else says you must give up your 1st Amendment rights.
What is concerning is how the President states make this country great again and he keeps tearing down people, organizations, soldiers, within our country and keeps using the word "I" in everything that he does and not the word "We" to institute gratefulness and includes those who actually allows him to enjoy his position. I am not for Obama in no way because of his hidden agenda and he was an expert in communication where President Trump although never had to, but needs to listen to his people, especially VP Pence in his tactics and communication, but he continues to refuse.
The other issue is the big "ME" parade on veterans day. What a waste of money and slodiers that could spend time with their families and we do not have to watch, "STALIN" (Who was the first to do this, Russian Dictator) up on his podium watching himself spend millions of dollars of hardworking citizens to give him a rise within himself of jubilation.
The only way you can make a country great again is to go back to our roots and
ALL parties regardless of political affiliation to do what's good for the country. Letting anyone in the country at anytime from any source is not good, not having a great and world class military ready with the equipment, funding and resources is not good, not opening education and dropping cost for our young folks is not good. Our young graduates is uneducated highly compared to China even our own Home Schools. Why we have allowed our teachers to avoid teaching and preach pass SOL and you graduate, period. On and on we need to get back to our roots and get folks off welfare instead of paying Iran who has paid N.Korea to help with there nulclear program. This is just a touch of the tip of the iceberg. Last TERM LIMITS OF 8 YEARS. This will stop the folks who run just to get rich. All lobbists funds go in to a pool and each person gets the same amount when running. Anyone excepting funds from any lobbists make it a federal crime with automatic 5 years in prison.
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Thanks to social media, there is no such thing as a "safe space." I believe we should all respect the office of the President of the United States. The one thing that bother's me most about this question (those like this one) is no one thought about it during President Obama's administration. The disrespect for the office and the POTUS was beyond horrible at all turns. There were no discussions of "safe spaces" or "give him a chance" or "respect the POTUS" conversations of any sort after He took office. So very disappointing. It wasn't a party matter, it was because of his color. My feelings for President GW Bush was a party matter. During his terms, I was definitely not a fan. He was the opposing party's candidate. Our world changed under him, and not for the good. I felt he was being propped up by his cabinet members (the face of his cabinet's decisions) and we paid for it. I was happy to see he took more control during his 2nd term, but I still wasn't a fan (he was a Rep and I'm a Dem). I was totally P****d off when the Iraqi man threw his shoes at Pres Bush. How dare our President be disrespected by a foreign country! Meaning, we can fight internally but we stand together against our adversaries. With that, no, I don't think it's ok to disrespect the POTUS or the office. I do think the current president makes it incredibly hard to view him in the same light I've viewed his predecessors. There is no loyalty in him. I can't see where he has put America first. I will continue to do what I know to be right and influence others to follow suit. But...It is asking a lot of a military member to be steadfast on behalf of someone that don't carry the same loyalty to country as we are expected to carry during our periods of service.
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Brad Miller
I don't think it was Obama's color -- I think it was his attitudes and policies. A man who campaigns (in foreign countries!) by trash-talking the country he wants to be President of, who openly runs down the Armed Forces, who has utter contempt (and shows it) for anyone in uniform -- he's going to generate an enormous amount of resentment, even though he was legally elected.
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SMSgt Tea Elle
I disagree with you Brad Miller. Former President Obama had probably one of the toughest administrations I've seen, in the grand scheme of having a political party put the breaks on everything to keep the sitting president from making any progress. The last President had to result to Executive Orders for him to govern because of the lack of bipartisan support - no for the sake of showing a sitting president they do not like him sitting in the white house. Those same people seems to forgot the "excuses" they used when they refused to function under the last administration have changed their stance now that President Trump is in office. There are exact quotes showing the Speaker, the majority leader, the RNC chair, etc... making a negative comment towards an action from the last administration and now saying the exact opposite under the current administration. Finally, our country has done a 180 degree turn when it comes to unity of Americans. There are days where the episodes of violence makes it feels like 1960. I have never seen as much blatant racism as I've seen over the last 2yrs. It's just a matter of time before this bubble we're in pops and the middle class is pushed into poverty. Consider the jobs created by our "thriving" auto industry; the tariffs are causing those jobs to disappear. You know it's bad when the All American Harley Davidson products are made in Europe and China.
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Civilian question here -- UCMJ says you can't diss POTUS (and others in chain of command?) in public -- I'm good with that. Maintain discipline, etc. But does the same rule apply in privately expressed opinions? And where does the line between "public comment" and "private comment" lie? At home talking to my wife -- definitely private. At the local HS game over the loudspeaker -- definitely public. In a noisy bar, talking to my friend next to me -- ????
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SMSgt Tea Elle
Like most things (in relation to the UCMJ) it's subjective to the person making the decision. You are good to say what you want PROVIDED it does not get public attention. That could be a group of friends talking and one friend decides to record the conversation or screen shot the messages and share them in a public forum. The safe bet, DON'T SAY NOTHING! Not even as a retired member. Unless you don't plan to work again.
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PO2 William Kennison
Until EOS you have voluntarily or in the case of a draft become subject to the UCMJ which means keep your opinions to yourself. You are in one way or another never totally off duty or clear to represent yourself as anything but a professional representative of the Department of Defense and the branch that you have entered.
so there are NO public or private forums other than your immediate chain of command to gripe or scuttlebutt to until you have that piece of paper in your hand that says you are officially a past member of the military and a cake eater.
so there are NO public or private forums other than your immediate chain of command to gripe or scuttlebutt to until you have that piece of paper in your hand that says you are officially a past member of the military and a cake eater.
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Nope, that "privilege" is reserved for Veterans and Retirees! While on Active Duty, Active Reserves or National Guard, POTUS is still your boss!
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Bashing the CIC in what amounts to a public forum is always a breach of the UCMJ. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to air it publicly. My advice is, "Don't"!
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Safe space, Social Media, no matter if it's RP, FB, or Twitter etc., is no place to discuss politics. If people could learn to discuss politics without becoming angry and accusatory it would be fine; but that's not going to happen. Case in point, Hillary Clinton.
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Not on Social media, to their friends, family or loved ones yes, but not in a public forum. They have been warned about public displays of such actions, they should know better than to publish such things on Social media. Call or text a friend and vent that way. Don't be stupid and get caught putting it out there for all to see.
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