Posted on Apr 17, 2018
Do you believe it is ok for active service members to degrade the POTUS on RP?
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I have seen where many veterans have been making degrading remarks about the President of the United States. However, I also have seen threads where actively serving members, verified by RP, are making disparaging remarks.
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
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I've had many discussions about first amendment rights and the military with civilians over the years. I've gone so far as to write articles about it to no avail. I've cited cases, decisions, etc. and even went so far as to dumb it down to where a first grader should be able to understand. Nothing.
Unfortunately, I've seen these same echos reverberated in younger service members. They've been raised on a school diet of, "I can say whatever I want without repercussions." Not all mind, but too many. You can tell them a thousand times that they only place they can express a public political opinion is at the ballot box, and it'll fall on deaf ears. Granted, it's all moot when the Services and/or DoD fail to stomp on high profile members who violate the UCMJ.
Unfortunately, I've seen these same echos reverberated in younger service members. They've been raised on a school diet of, "I can say whatever I want without repercussions." Not all mind, but too many. You can tell them a thousand times that they only place they can express a public political opinion is at the ballot box, and it'll fall on deaf ears. Granted, it's all moot when the Services and/or DoD fail to stomp on high profile members who violate the UCMJ.
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Brad Miller
Sadly, too many young people today are coming out of a culture where there ARE no consequences. Until somebody ends up dead.
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Veterans can be as fat, vile, opinionated, and political as they want to be. They no longer are obligated to to uphold a set standard, and the military no longer has power over them. Active duty members better remember their oath, their obligations, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. They are also obligated to set the example, and that means supporting the policies implemented by their Commander in Chief unless they are illegal.
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While on active duty, it is NOT OK to disparage the President. He is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. However, when the uniform is off (retired, ETS) a civilian may have any comment he(she) chooses.
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In 2008 the Democrats committed election fraud and installed a constitutionally unqualified fraud. He couldn’t produce legit documents to establish his identity and the public was expected to give him the benefit of the doubt to explain away all the inconsistencies in his background. He couldn’t even pass a simple background check because he was using a previously issued SSN and had multiple SSNs associated with his identity. Flight manifests disappeared from the National Archives, people died under suspicious circumstances and the press treated him like a rock star. The largely ignorant public bought empty promises of Hope and Change and America added $10 Trillion in debt, saw its military turned into a social experiment, and our rights and freedoms erode as our government leaders increasingly became more corrupt and self-serving. People said character didn’t matter and got what they voted for.
It took awhile and lots of scandals for the public to wake up. You can only lie so much before people get tired of the lies and begin to realize how much they have been taken.
Hillary was supposed to follow Obama but the public couldn’t stomach the thought of her. Her reputation for lying, covering up evidence of wrongdoing, and getting people killed was unpalatable — even for some Democrats. And even though she rigged her own Primary, was caught cheating in the debates, and attempted to cheat her way to victory in the General Election. What the Democrats didn’t count on was the public’s disgust of Obama’s incompetence, empty promises of Hope and Change, and legacy of corruption. Trump’s election was a referendum on Obama’s shameful legacy.
I swore an oath to support and defend our Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC! Our government is woefully corrupt and the corruption has infiltrated all branches of the Federal government as well as major Federal agencies to include the FBI, CIA, DHS, IRS, EPA, amongst others. Since 2008, this country has only had one legitimately qualified President. And we are now watching another election being stolen as the whole world watches, wondering what we are going to do about it. Our media is running interference for the Democrats and attempting to install another fraud who illegally spied on the Trump campaign [his name is on documents along with Obama’s] using a fake dossier paid for by Clinton, who stole relief money from Haiti and laundered it through the Clinton Foundation. Biden is likewise corrupt and laundered money extorted from Ukraine, besides peddling influence with Russia and China.
For the life of me, I’m wondering what has happened to our military that we have senior officers and enlisted talking smack and not calling out the corruption for what it is. The DNC has been hijacked by Socialist sellouts and isn’t the Democratic Party your grandparents knew. They have staged multiple failed coups and nobody seems concerned.
If our government is corrupt in all three branches, what is the remedy?
Socialism is NOT the future our Founding Fathers envisioned for this country. Some of the folks commenting are absolute disgraces to the uniform. They have let Party affiliation cloud their better judgment. RallyPoint has a lot of potential but if it continues to devolve into Facebook with petty rants and partisan bickering, I fear for this country’s future.
It took awhile and lots of scandals for the public to wake up. You can only lie so much before people get tired of the lies and begin to realize how much they have been taken.
Hillary was supposed to follow Obama but the public couldn’t stomach the thought of her. Her reputation for lying, covering up evidence of wrongdoing, and getting people killed was unpalatable — even for some Democrats. And even though she rigged her own Primary, was caught cheating in the debates, and attempted to cheat her way to victory in the General Election. What the Democrats didn’t count on was the public’s disgust of Obama’s incompetence, empty promises of Hope and Change, and legacy of corruption. Trump’s election was a referendum on Obama’s shameful legacy.
I swore an oath to support and defend our Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC! Our government is woefully corrupt and the corruption has infiltrated all branches of the Federal government as well as major Federal agencies to include the FBI, CIA, DHS, IRS, EPA, amongst others. Since 2008, this country has only had one legitimately qualified President. And we are now watching another election being stolen as the whole world watches, wondering what we are going to do about it. Our media is running interference for the Democrats and attempting to install another fraud who illegally spied on the Trump campaign [his name is on documents along with Obama’s] using a fake dossier paid for by Clinton, who stole relief money from Haiti and laundered it through the Clinton Foundation. Biden is likewise corrupt and laundered money extorted from Ukraine, besides peddling influence with Russia and China.
For the life of me, I’m wondering what has happened to our military that we have senior officers and enlisted talking smack and not calling out the corruption for what it is. The DNC has been hijacked by Socialist sellouts and isn’t the Democratic Party your grandparents knew. They have staged multiple failed coups and nobody seems concerned.
If our government is corrupt in all three branches, what is the remedy?
Socialism is NOT the future our Founding Fathers envisioned for this country. Some of the folks commenting are absolute disgraces to the uniform. They have let Party affiliation cloud their better judgment. RallyPoint has a lot of potential but if it continues to devolve into Facebook with petty rants and partisan bickering, I fear for this country’s future.
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no such thing as a safe space for military members to comment on the chain of command.
if you cannot handle the simple responsibilities of serving, you should not serve... it's not about me/you/us. to borrow an old line, "we're here to preserve democracy, not practice it".
if you cannot handle the simple responsibilities of serving, you should not serve... it's not about me/you/us. to borrow an old line, "we're here to preserve democracy, not practice it".
The president of the United States is a blithering idiot, Victor. It's as simple as that.
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There are no safe spaces for those currently serving in the military. You are a a Soldier, et all, twenty four hours a day. Seven days a week, there is no I am not in the military time. There is no free speech, right to protest or whatever in the military. Once you become a Veteran you once again have those rights. You can be like a civilian again. Though, everyone should show the proper respect to the office of the President. You can hate whoever holds that position all you want, but respect the title and office. I will step down from my soap box.
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My First Sargent told me that if you serve you can't be political or campaign. If you want to do that you need to be off base, on leave, and in civilian clothes. Apolitical is is the watchword.
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