Posted on Apr 17, 2018
Do you believe it is ok for active service members to degrade the POTUS on RP?
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I have seen where many veterans have been making degrading remarks about the President of the United States. However, I also have seen threads where actively serving members, verified by RP, are making disparaging remarks.
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
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I am a veteran and personally I think the hairstyle may be the worst president we've had in over 50 years! Having said that, when I was active duty I never opened my mouth, never! This is why isn't voting block active duty military have some of the lowest participation in the country because they don't want to be political.
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First off, the first amendment rights do not apply to everyone all the time. Second, if you are on active duty, it is your duty to show superiors proper respect all the time. That doesn't mean you have to always agree with them. Regardless of agreeing or not, you should not degrade or disrespect your superiors or anyone else.
As a veteran, you are not bound by these rules.
As a veteran, you are not bound by these rules.
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You're factually incorrect. Active serving members are allowed criticisms, even strong ones. There are, obviously, some things they can't say, but the idea that they cannot criticize at all is false.
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SGT Dan Gray again, you're wrong.
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SGT Dan Gray and maybe you should give two seconds to study up on the case law and legal precedents, which clearly state that even vocal opposition to a government official are allowed, so long as it doesn't devolve into personal attacks on their character. You can feel free to use the magical Google machine, realize I'm right and that I actually knew the answer prior to making a comment, and acknowledge your mistake.
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Once again, you're wrong. Any one of us is free to criticize within reason, and every military court has upheld that decision.
Well it all comes down to the fact that as a member of the armed forces the President is your superior and as such it is never a good idea to disparage your superiors. If you want to use the first amendment protection , get out and become a civilian.
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Ours is not to wonder why, only to do or die... To serve God and country...The President of the United States is the Commander in Chief and the Rank must be respected. When in uniform or out of uniform but still on active duty, the member in the service of country is not seen by those outside the envelope as a person, but as a representative of the United States of America, a military member, Conus or non-conus, this is true in business also, conus or non-conus..Before and after active duty service and as a veteran, the Congress and Senate are our voice as constituents, we should utilize our system of government properly, use it. It is the Military to protect the freedoms of others, not the agenda of self....If you want a JOB, get out of the Federal Reserve System of funding for your education and pay by the taxpayers you represent, then GET OUT OF THE MILITARY AND GET ONE. The Government did not issue your family. Dont make them a burden of the "State" for your benefit. The military is not a job, regardless of what the EOT, ACLU and other Labor Unions and socialist programs want you to think. Yes we live in a Republic of Democracy, with the Constitution and Bill of rights with amendments equally for all legal (and some illegal) citizens, but SORRY, YOU FALL UNDER THE UCMJ, NOT the Constitution or Bill of Rights and amendments directly. We truly honor and respect your SERVICE TO THE United States of America, proudly, dont degrade yourself or US for just a job.
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RallyPoint is a wonderful site for Veterans, National Guard, Reserve members both Active and Inactive and Active Duty Service Members to discover information about many subjects and also express themselves in certain ways.
However everyone of us took an oath upon entering our branch of service. Part of the oath is “I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me according to regulations and the UCMJ.”
The President is the Commander in Chief of all Military Services and under the UCMJ is to be treated as the highest ranking Officer.
Once the oath has been taken the service members 1st Ammendment Rights kind of get squashed until they either ETS or Retire because they can possibly be charged under Articles 44 through 134of the UCMJ for Mutiny and Sedition. There are hundreds of minor things that JAG can file against the service members.
So my advice to all Active Duty personnel be very careful of what, when, why, where and how you say anything. Big brother is always watching! I know for a fact because at one time that was my job.
However everyone of us took an oath upon entering our branch of service. Part of the oath is “I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me according to regulations and the UCMJ.”
The President is the Commander in Chief of all Military Services and under the UCMJ is to be treated as the highest ranking Officer.
Once the oath has been taken the service members 1st Ammendment Rights kind of get squashed until they either ETS or Retire because they can possibly be charged under Articles 44 through 134of the UCMJ for Mutiny and Sedition. There are hundreds of minor things that JAG can file against the service members.
So my advice to all Active Duty personnel be very careful of what, when, why, where and how you say anything. Big brother is always watching! I know for a fact because at one time that was my job.
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Yes, this is a private forum for Veterans and Military Service Members, not an official government or military forum. As long as they are posting during a time, when they are not ignoring their duties and are off or on a break.
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I remember back in the day that in no way did we ever voice out loud to the masses our discontent of any current President (as the right did with Obama and the left with Trump, so lets not be hypocrites), we kept that to ourselves or shared it to our closest and dearest battle buddies.. active duty is not allowed the luxury of blatantly voicing disgust of a standing President as they are your Commander in Chief. Don't let your mouth get you in trouble. Also once leaving the military veterans don't owe any standing President anything, our only loyalty is to the country we live in and the constitution by which this country was built ( the President is just extra credit), so don't read too much into what you think loyalty is and where its owed.
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I thought this forum was meant to be a safe place for all to share their ideas and not an official “military “ website. So, why are there so many personal attacks and overtly political comments allowed here? Why do some posters try to “pull Rank” when addressing anyone of a lower Rank who posts something they don’t like? It’s interesting that this question is raised when the “degrading remarks” are made about the current President but, wasn’t an issue for some here when President Obama was in office (there were a lot of disrespectful, and even Racist, comments made by people claiming to be Veterans or on Active Duty).
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