Posted on Sep 25, 2015
Do you believe the 2 women Rangers passed on their own merits or were they given special treatment?
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Yes i do, two LTs in my company went to West Point with them and they both say that if Ranger school had lowered their standards for them, they both would have quit
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I don't mind if they were given extra training, as long as they met the standards! They probably have not been trained like the men have been!
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I think they passed won their own merit. If we cannot get past the fact that women are just as good as men, we will never be able to get past other issues regarding race, genders, etc. Congrats to them for working hard and rising far above that what was expected of them. They raised the bar, so now lets start giving women the respect they deserve.
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Special treatment all the way. The military has cut it's mandatory fitness in half for women in general, who's to say that's not the case, here?
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Yes, I do think they received some special treatment. Talking from experience, as a AIT Drill, we had the first female in our transportation class. She was appointed Acting Shergeant stripes and appointed Assitant Platoon Sergeant, for the media. Army Times along with local newspapers came to see this "7th Wonder of the World" perform. The woman could not drive any of the military vehicles at the school, however, when the news media, there she was in Class A uniform driving, or I should say sitting at behind the wheel, while one of the NCO's (hidden) did the shifting and actually drove the vehicle while she waved to the reporters. The Commander thought she should be driving a sedan instead, so that was brought in for her to drive for the media, however, the photos were of her driving a 1/4 ton, 2 1/2 ton a 2000D. This woman was unwelcomed and unwanted by the troops in her unit and NCO's as well.. She of course, dwelled on the publicity, as did the Commander, whose photo was also featured in the newspapers where he spoke very highly of the first female 94C in the Army, bottom line, he really didn't know her nor did he know of her incapability of driving any military vehicle..
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I don't know about their situation and their pass/fail strategy. The big question I have is what happened to the military uniform rule where a woman's hair must not be so short as to appear unfeminine? Apparently based on those photos, they don't have any hair left. Anyway just something that ticked me off since I was actually written up once for "unfeminine" hair and it was far longer than theirs.
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I am not even sure why this is still a topic. These two amazing soldiers made it thru every single stage of the Ranger qualification and we should be so fortunate to have witness history rather than questioning their abilities.
The fact that they had the guts to go thru it should be enough. Questioning their success is questioning the integrity of their team, and that graduation class as a whole. Questioning their success is saying that the male that graduated with them are nothing but a bunch wimps with no spines, no moral courage to stand up for what is wrong, and worst of all they lack integrity. If that is the case, then this conversation should be about them and their lack of personal courage and professionalism to uphold the Ranger Creed and the Ranger standard. I will be the first one to say shame on them.
Who the heck are we to decide the success or failure of an individual base on their race, gender or sexual orientation? There were put against a standard and they smoked it! I just dropped the mic .
The fact that they had the guts to go thru it should be enough. Questioning their success is questioning the integrity of their team, and that graduation class as a whole. Questioning their success is saying that the male that graduated with them are nothing but a bunch wimps with no spines, no moral courage to stand up for what is wrong, and worst of all they lack integrity. If that is the case, then this conversation should be about them and their lack of personal courage and professionalism to uphold the Ranger Creed and the Ranger standard. I will be the first one to say shame on them.
Who the heck are we to decide the success or failure of an individual base on their race, gender or sexual orientation? There were put against a standard and they smoked it! I just dropped the mic .
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CPL Terry Krebs
Not quite seems there was some rather intense needs directed by a certain general in his statement that there would be females pass Rangers school???? What was he meaning?? Uh they. Didn't smoke anything they all flunked out of the fist run and were allowed to continue. Why was and were male candidates given these same treatments??
Until there is some clarity here, there's a problem. PERIOD!
Until there is some clarity here, there's a problem. PERIOD!
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CPL Krebs, I might be completely out of bounds here. Saying that they flunked is completely wrong and misleading. Ranger school has 3 main phases failing doesn't necessary mean that you flunked Ranger school. Rather, you get recycle and get an opportunity to take another shot at it. Historically, approximately 34% of students recycle at least one phase of Ranger School. What will get you out for sure are: negative peer evaluations, and accumulating more than three negative spot reports. The argument here isn't that these soldiers were successful at their first try rather, they stuck with it after three failures and graduated! That's Perseverance. Not long ago, it was a general belief in the Army that people of color could not be competent Officers or competent soldiers. The only function there were good for was to be cooks. Do you remember when blacks were not good enough to be infantrymen? We should stop being afraid of change because change is inevitable. Furthermore, most of the Rangers school graduates I talk to, have nothing but admiration for every single soldier that has the fortitude to graduate from Ranger school including these two female soldiers. The problem is within the few homophobes we have in our ranks. A few months ago people were against the idea that gay and lesbians should openly join and serve their country. Do you remember what the excuse of? Yet we forgot that we have been serving with same sex soldiers since the beginning of time. My point is we (men) should not apply our physical and mental limits to everyone else. We are called to be adaptable, courageous, professional and above all humble. I cannot wait to have female soldiers with ranger tabs in my formations.
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I kind of doubt that they passed on their own merits. Either way, we have had the best military in the world for a couple hundred years now. Why mess with it?
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