Posted on Apr 17, 2017
CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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670-1 dtd 3Feb2005 has depictions on page 66, fig 15.7 showing trouser w/o a 'break' over the front of low quarter shoes.

I recall asking for, 'no break' in the crease of my trousers over my shoe laces. The ? hem was then lowered to slightly cover the heel of the shoes.

Inistutional memory, greybeards?
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CSM Hayden;
I feel that the Army has changed AR 670-1 so many times now that its hard to keep up with the changes. The Army realized recently that we had too many AR's and FM's so there attempt to make it more conducive was by adding ADP's and TC's into the mix. This has given us even more to try to weed out. Some leaders still follow the AR's while some follow the ADP's and TC's so now everyone is referencing different information. I feel less informed and knowledgeable now and have to crunch to learn these new standards. It seems like the Army is attempting to lower the standard to conform to the younger generation. We are still using the military as a social experiment.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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Four letter word comment! @SFC David Hayes
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670-1 is an interesting read, and as I understand has been updated a lot in the last decade.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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I always had the slight break. but it seemed to always be more than what I was after.
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Do you consider yourself to be informed re: AR 670-1?
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025 , I would not say I'm well versed in AR 670-1 since it likes to change so often, but I'm certainly well versed in the Control F function when ever I have a question about the regulation.
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Last I recall, and was confirmed at SLC, was a slight break at the top of the foot. The drawings in DA PAM 670-1, Apr 2015 show a break, but I can't find text that specifically says so.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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No text for me either, my citation was from a 2005 edition. W/o a break in the example. Thanks
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