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There are the constant hubris over pay and benefits but is the course we are on will cripple the military once again. Back in the 70s and 80s military pay was shameful and hampered by a Congress that really does not like us. Some support the military and this comes from both parties. I got the help I needed so I get the need to help the common man and the poor.
I chafe at the notion that a strong military is not important and that our country is special in some ways. What is your take?
I chafe at the notion that a strong military is not important and that our country is special in some ways. What is your take?
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 32
Whomever is being overpaid, give me what you think you don't observe. lol
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MAJ(P) (Join to see)
Taxpayers, Congress, Lobbyists, SECDEF, past Service Members... some combination of all of them.
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Ronald Reagan drove that. A little history that the younger generation needs to know.. I was like up to 14.7% the first year and 10% the next. That really matters.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SSgt (Join to see), I heard of those legendary pay hikes.. Well deserved.
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For the sacrifices we make (loss of family time, missed birthdays/anniversaries, missed first steps/words, school events, etc) there is no compensation large enough, but the pay received is will never be enough until the public demands it and the Congress stops looking out for themselves first.
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It is definitely overpaid if you are single especially on the Officer side. But being married changes things completely especially in my case - starting from scratch. I had to be frugal with my money and because of that I barely made ends meet. My wife couldn't find a job since my installation was in rural area and many times most bases are. Constantly I struggled living check by check paying bills. I am not a person to waste endless amount of money on accessories this includes my wife. A child is out of the picture it would only worsen my financial status. I try bettering myself continuing my studies to hopefully earn more money for my family's sake and even then its an issue paying for books although I have the Pell grant it can only take you so far (If you are going to school I suggest you invest time in applying for the pell grant). Again I started off with nothing no furniture, car, or housing. Sure, I could have waited but not always do we have these opportunities. Finally, I have finished paying back those awful bills. I now escaped out the poverty scale I was in for 2 years and things are much more balanced now. But I am grateful to the military because without it my family wouldn't be well off like it is today. I have and always will thank the military for helping us.
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I remember in the base weather station an informal and formal channel to vent because we worked rotating shifts and thus when we had commander's call some would lose sleep. You do not want to do that because of how sensitive the job is. Loved my time in Germany but our government was paying us better and more than that, there was a sense of pride in being in the military. How can that not be good? Can we overlook what it took to be great again.
I believe in our country but I am shakened and saddened by the losses we are incurring.
I believe in our country but I am shakened and saddened by the losses we are incurring.
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SSgt (Join to see)
I apologize for missing the main point about the channels and how it served to remind us what was important. I would like to think that free expression is still in vogue because from time to time it is not. Both forms of communication had 'read me' components in them. Being around smart people you learn to think (IMHO) and I would have loved combat forecasting because the pilots and importantly too are the foot soldiers who I cannot compare myself too. I got an Air Force Commendation Medal and an Air Force Achievement Medal when deployed on an exercise during an ORI and my squadron commander got a letter from the Military Airlift Commander for above and beyond. That is my crowning achievement.
I knew at Ramstein we were in a very unstable world and I appreciate those days for what they were and how others in the field and in the air mattered most. The point here is that the respect was not paid to us during the Carter years.
I knew at Ramstein we were in a very unstable world and I appreciate those days for what they were and how others in the field and in the air mattered most. The point here is that the respect was not paid to us during the Carter years.
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You could tell that the past pos President had it in for the Military. 1/2 of 1% pay raise? You guys got hosed.. in a serious way ! Considering cost of living and all that goes with it.. you notice that after you got your minuscule 1/2 % raise, all the businesses raised prices 25% to keep you broke. They did it to us too. We did get that 100% raise in '71 I think it was.. So my pay went close to a little over $300.. my goal was the educational benefits then. I was s'what content.. I had a roof over my head, 3 squares that were there for me. Of course I had one of the best jobs I thought.. being a Cook.. downside? I had to really work hard to not be nibbling.
I drank gallons of water, forever hitting the head.. latrine, the loo, w.c. .. SSG asked why I drank so much water.. I told him so I didn't get as big as him.. I thought we were without company and I heard a lot of laughter.. the TSG didn't think it was funny.. I got a letter of counsel over it... I talked to the Chief and ask if he could persuade the TSG to rescind it.. "oh just wait 6 mo. It'll go away!" That was a long 6 mo.! Even trying to stay busy.. I saved my pay.. kept just enough out to have some fun, necessities.. had a savings bond coming out of. It.. when I got o'seas
I made Sgt. (AF) I upped the bond to a $50 and a $25.. I didn't even miss it..
I had it arranged those were sent home ..
I didn't need much over there.. I sent $$ home and still bought a nice stereo set up
A console with a reel to reel. Had it for several years.. my youngest brother thought I owed him s'thing and hocked it..
Dad searched around and priced what it would cost.. took $900 out of bro's account and gave it to me.. I had paid about $300 for it.. dad said if I had to replace it it would be close to that . I didn't trust that kid.. I had a safe.. a small one but a good one.. we came home and he was trying to bust it open with a sledge hammer, then his bud tried.. all that time I was taking pics.. he never got it open.. I lugged it back inside and did the combo..
opened it.. ta-da ! All I had was a half box of bullets and a military .38. Taken down. No money there ! And I got another $350 to replace the safe. I got it on sale but would have cost that much not on sale. Plus I had insurance through the safe company. Did I do a police report? Yes, I needed that to get paid by the insurance co... the judge sentenced my brother to a 100 hours helping to clean the river bank .. and river of clutter..
All he had to do was ask and I would have told him.. he did it the hard way .. I was glad when I got to go back in.. I had been going to Community college for Culinary arts/Restaurant Mgt. during that
time.. I worked with a guy I knew and he catered weddings, funerals, anniversaries.. we did some other types of parties.. not bad, get $50 for a couple hours work.. some times 3 hrs.. then he'd add another $10. The only party I worked during a week was on Thursday night and there was no school Fridays. Brother couldn't get how I could go to work at a catered affair a few hours and come home with $50-$60 .. he was going to a school
to work on computers and got assigned to a computer geek, go on a job and he only got $10. S'thing wrong with that pic ! He actually got more but they took $ for his tools and books.. I thought s'times I could have taken the option to go AF Reserve again.. but just going on the weekends and occasionally missing the chance to work a big catered affair because I had Reserve duty. So Iwent while hog back to active AF. I don't regret it, not one bit !...
I drank gallons of water, forever hitting the head.. latrine, the loo, w.c. .. SSG asked why I drank so much water.. I told him so I didn't get as big as him.. I thought we were without company and I heard a lot of laughter.. the TSG didn't think it was funny.. I got a letter of counsel over it... I talked to the Chief and ask if he could persuade the TSG to rescind it.. "oh just wait 6 mo. It'll go away!" That was a long 6 mo.! Even trying to stay busy.. I saved my pay.. kept just enough out to have some fun, necessities.. had a savings bond coming out of. It.. when I got o'seas
I made Sgt. (AF) I upped the bond to a $50 and a $25.. I didn't even miss it..
I had it arranged those were sent home ..
I didn't need much over there.. I sent $$ home and still bought a nice stereo set up
A console with a reel to reel. Had it for several years.. my youngest brother thought I owed him s'thing and hocked it..
Dad searched around and priced what it would cost.. took $900 out of bro's account and gave it to me.. I had paid about $300 for it.. dad said if I had to replace it it would be close to that . I didn't trust that kid.. I had a safe.. a small one but a good one.. we came home and he was trying to bust it open with a sledge hammer, then his bud tried.. all that time I was taking pics.. he never got it open.. I lugged it back inside and did the combo..
opened it.. ta-da ! All I had was a half box of bullets and a military .38. Taken down. No money there ! And I got another $350 to replace the safe. I got it on sale but would have cost that much not on sale. Plus I had insurance through the safe company. Did I do a police report? Yes, I needed that to get paid by the insurance co... the judge sentenced my brother to a 100 hours helping to clean the river bank .. and river of clutter..
All he had to do was ask and I would have told him.. he did it the hard way .. I was glad when I got to go back in.. I had been going to Community college for Culinary arts/Restaurant Mgt. during that
time.. I worked with a guy I knew and he catered weddings, funerals, anniversaries.. we did some other types of parties.. not bad, get $50 for a couple hours work.. some times 3 hrs.. then he'd add another $10. The only party I worked during a week was on Thursday night and there was no school Fridays. Brother couldn't get how I could go to work at a catered affair a few hours and come home with $50-$60 .. he was going to a school
to work on computers and got assigned to a computer geek, go on a job and he only got $10. S'thing wrong with that pic ! He actually got more but they took $ for his tools and books.. I thought s'times I could have taken the option to go AF Reserve again.. but just going on the weekends and occasionally missing the chance to work a big catered affair because I had Reserve duty. So Iwent while hog back to active AF. I don't regret it, not one bit !...
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What the military gets paid is irrelevant, in comparison to what politicians do!
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I don't believe is a matter of much or little. Unlike in civilian life (the real life) in the Military you're being paid even you're asleep. You're a soldier/navy/airman/marine, 24/7, on call 24/7 must respond 24/7. If awaken you must get up and get ready for duty. Therefore you're being paid even while asleep, resting, fooling around, eating chow, on leave, etc. all 24/7. On top of that you get FREE food, clothing, medical, dental, living quarters etc. etc.
In civilian seldom anyone gets paid while asleep or 24/7 like the military does. So some civilian like me now may think that yes you're outrageously overpaid. Though when I was in the service I though I deserved it.
In civilian seldom anyone gets paid while asleep or 24/7 like the military does. So some civilian like me now may think that yes you're outrageously overpaid. Though when I was in the service I though I deserved it.
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Ok this pisses me off. I do not know you or anything but only a dumbass would say your overpaid and using 24/7 as a justification for that argument. If anything it is counterintuitive and just plain silly.
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SPC Luis Mendez
SSgt (Join to see) - Phony how you seem you get piss very easily by the Truth. That in my book is just one more piece of Evidence of what I said. You're paid while asleep and Fooling around 24/7 in the Military for as long it lasts. I don't know of an equivalent in civilian life, or maybe Welfare could be.
Also getting piss like that with someone thousands of miles away is a clear sign of childish and adolescent behavior. Typical of todays Military, we had another example the other day of that in West Point. You really are way overpaid given your IQ.
Also getting piss like that with someone thousands of miles away is a clear sign of childish and adolescent behavior. Typical of todays Military, we had another example the other day of that in West Point. You really are way overpaid given your IQ.
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I think E-1 - E-3 are overpaid, while not deployed. E-4 are paid just right, while not deployed. E-5 and up I cannot speak for.
I would also like to add civilian work as an example. For those young ones who have not been on the civilian side, trust me, you do not realize how easy you have it.
For those of you who were on the civilian side, just remember what it was like. No guaranteed pay check, free housing, food, education, health care, family health care, no free gym, and no free clothes.
You may not realize right now, but the military is much easier than you think, except deployment. There is no amount of money they can pay to ever make going to war worth it.
I would also like to add civilian work as an example. For those young ones who have not been on the civilian side, trust me, you do not realize how easy you have it.
For those of you who were on the civilian side, just remember what it was like. No guaranteed pay check, free housing, food, education, health care, family health care, no free gym, and no free clothes.
You may not realize right now, but the military is much easier than you think, except deployment. There is no amount of money they can pay to ever make going to war worth it.
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