Posted on Jul 1, 2015
Do you have any advice on going from E4 to E5?
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I'm currently a SPC trying to get my NCO's to take me seriously and put me in a team leader spot so that I can go to the P board (I guess it's some kind of requirement for this company). I'm motivated almost every day, I'm always working, and the joes listen to me and usually don't give me any lip when I inform them of a detail we need to do. Usually half way through the job, an NCO will walk up and take over and I end up getting no credit for any of the work I put into whatever we had going on. I really don't know where I stand in this company and am honestly getting tired of being overlooked. Any advice would be appreciated because I'm starting to lose faith and motivation.
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If your leadership is " overlooking" you, you may be lacking in some things. Leading Soldiers is a big responsibility. Are you proficient in knowledge if your MOS? I have never seen a motivated, knowledgeable and responsible E4 "overlooked"....ever for promotion with those three qualities. Maybe you should check yourself?
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Welcome to the world of Specialist. Do good and a NCO will take the pats on the back, do bad and you will get the blame.
Here is my advice for you.
NCOs need to be leaders. Leading is not about getting details done. That is about bossing. Leading is about accomplishing the mission, taking care of your troops, and your troops taking care of you. The "taking care of troops" is the hard part. There is paperwork, psychology, sociology, being able to dish out and take ass chewings among the zillion other things that go with responsibility of leading troops.
Carry a notebook for just leadership notes. Write both the good and the bad in that book. If it is bad, write what you would do different if you were that leader. You already have your first one. Giving credit were credit is due, for the details that you work.
Get and read the FM 7-22.7 NCOs Handbook. It is actually one of the best things that will help you as a young soldier. It is a great read.
Find a senior NCO that has his shit in one sack. Go to him and tell him you need a mentor. Set up a time to meet on a regular basis. Ask him questions that you have wrote down in your handy dandy notebook.
Make sure you are getting a monthly counseling statement. You have to get feedback if you are going to improve. If you are not getting them you need to make it happen. You and you alone are responsible for your promotion.
Being an NCO was one of the most satisfying things I ever did in my life. Good luck.
Here is my advice for you.
NCOs need to be leaders. Leading is not about getting details done. That is about bossing. Leading is about accomplishing the mission, taking care of your troops, and your troops taking care of you. The "taking care of troops" is the hard part. There is paperwork, psychology, sociology, being able to dish out and take ass chewings among the zillion other things that go with responsibility of leading troops.
Carry a notebook for just leadership notes. Write both the good and the bad in that book. If it is bad, write what you would do different if you were that leader. You already have your first one. Giving credit were credit is due, for the details that you work.
Get and read the FM 7-22.7 NCOs Handbook. It is actually one of the best things that will help you as a young soldier. It is a great read.
Find a senior NCO that has his shit in one sack. Go to him and tell him you need a mentor. Set up a time to meet on a regular basis. Ask him questions that you have wrote down in your handy dandy notebook.
Make sure you are getting a monthly counseling statement. You have to get feedback if you are going to improve. If you are not getting them you need to make it happen. You and you alone are responsible for your promotion.
Being an NCO was one of the most satisfying things I ever did in my life. Good luck.
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Sounds like your hearts in the right place. At an appropriate time ask to speak with your supervisor. Tell him or her you want more responsibility. Tell them you want to be challendged. Tell them you want to ease some of their burden. I don't know the Army but I believe approach is everything.
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As somebody who has written evals for others, the process ensures you're not overlooked. Your NCOs know you, and they'll be asked to rank you against your peers. When they do that, your work will be taken into account. Then again, there may be another SPC who is charging hard, and you may not be aware of it. Just keep doing what you're doing and have faith that the system is specifically designed to not overlook good people. (That lesson was the only thing that kept me sane when I had to write, re-write, and rank 70-some people.)
Boards Boards Boards !!!! Max out PT, take initiative and keep on your leadership about going to WLC or other schools. You wanna fast track I can tell, I fast tracked. E-5 in 32 months. It's your career don't let anyone or anything get in your way. Lead PT and most of all win some damn boards they can't stop you if your senior leadership sees your better than your junior leadership !
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Like others have said, make sure you're getting counseling monthly and the specific reason you aren't going to the promotion board is in there. If it is not, inquire as to why yourself, and have him put it in the counseling.
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Ok you have many ideas set forth to you here. 1 look at points needed for your mos, make sure you surpassed them. Then if you dont have points in one or more areas, get the points you need. PT is a big point. Schooling is 2nd biggest point look at what is needed for promotion to SSGT and other than BNOC PLDC or other in MOS Leadership schools look at collage needs. If you have fulfilled the basics then go farther ahead of your peers. Also look at army standing for your mos in^out criteria make sure your not in an over staffed E-5 SGT MOS. I was all good on points skills college extra points and PT near 270. But i was in an over staff MOS so i could not move up.
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I understand your frustration, but let me give you some perspective. In 2008 I joined the Tennessee National Guard after a 10-year break in service from active duty and USAR. I was a 37 year-old E-4 assigned to a signal unit, still holding a 13F MOS. I was not MOSQ for my duty position, and even if I was, in the National Guard if your unit does not have a slot, you don't get promoted. I waited two years for a school slot to reclass to 25F, and once I was done I sat at the top of the promotion list. Two months after the list came out, the 25F MOS was eliminated and I was back to square one. The next year I returned for 25N reclass, completed it and waited for the next promotion list to come out. I was the ONLY name on the list, but since there was a logjam at E-6, so the E-5 occupying my slot could not go anywhere. In November 2014, after six years TIG (a lot more if you consider I pinned on my E-4 in 1993) the pieces began to move and I pinned my E-5 that December. I was 41 years old, and had fellow E-5's who I knew as E-1's welcome me to the NCO ranks. By final formation my hand hurt from congratulatory handshakes and my chest ached from my "welcome party". :-)
My point is, through it all I did my best to keep a good attitude, did what was expected of me and didn't expect visible recognition. I am fortunate to be in a close-knit unit with NCO's and lower enlisted that encouraged me through each detour and speed bump. Keep your spirits up keep your mind on the mission. Finally, when you do get there it gets real, so be ready to step up. Anyone who might say becoming an NCO does not feel that different is either lying or got it for the wrong reasons. Those three stripes weigh heavy, and all eyes are on you.
Didn't mean to give you a life story, but I hope it helps to hear from someone who has been through a long journey to Sergeant and can tell you it's worth the wait.
My point is, through it all I did my best to keep a good attitude, did what was expected of me and didn't expect visible recognition. I am fortunate to be in a close-knit unit with NCO's and lower enlisted that encouraged me through each detour and speed bump. Keep your spirits up keep your mind on the mission. Finally, when you do get there it gets real, so be ready to step up. Anyone who might say becoming an NCO does not feel that different is either lying or got it for the wrong reasons. Those three stripes weigh heavy, and all eyes are on you.
Didn't mean to give you a life story, but I hope it helps to hear from someone who has been through a long journey to Sergeant and can tell you it's worth the wait.
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From Junior enlisted to another junior enlisted you need to find what motivates you. As a future NCO ensuring the welfare of your soldiers and battle buddies should be your priority. Go from "One Team One Fight" to "For This Team I Will Fight." If you are so gung-ho about being an NCO then the time will come But in the meantime do as you are told, take initiative and continue to do what you have being doing. Trust and believe someone is always watching and taking notes. Unless you are 6+ years TIS, you have nothing to worry about.
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A lot of things come into play here:
1st what is your relationship with these NCO's who walk over and take over? Is it a favorable one? If so talk to them one on one and explain your situation, and present it in a manner that shows that you are freeing them up for more complicated tasks. If for some reason you don't have a good report with these individuals talk to your squad leader/section sergeant and let him/her know.
Two point wise, where would you sit right now if you put your packet together? What can you do to improve some of the areas you may not be "at your best," seek guidance form your leadership. Also ask to give classes, this gives NCO's a chance to watch and see what you did to prepare your self, your ability to handle a difficult situation. Every class a sniper or know it all in it, now a days I have learned often it is people who may actually have an emotional or personnel issue like ADHD, that compels them to speak out. The Army does not really teach us to deal with people like this directly, we have to develop our tactics and techniques.
Keep in mind to a lot of NCO's they are being rated as well, and the command climate may be one where they have to show they are doing something all the time.
1st what is your relationship with these NCO's who walk over and take over? Is it a favorable one? If so talk to them one on one and explain your situation, and present it in a manner that shows that you are freeing them up for more complicated tasks. If for some reason you don't have a good report with these individuals talk to your squad leader/section sergeant and let him/her know.
Two point wise, where would you sit right now if you put your packet together? What can you do to improve some of the areas you may not be "at your best," seek guidance form your leadership. Also ask to give classes, this gives NCO's a chance to watch and see what you did to prepare your self, your ability to handle a difficult situation. Every class a sniper or know it all in it, now a days I have learned often it is people who may actually have an emotional or personnel issue like ADHD, that compels them to speak out. The Army does not really teach us to deal with people like this directly, we have to develop our tactics and techniques.
Keep in mind to a lot of NCO's they are being rated as well, and the command climate may be one where they have to show they are doing something all the time.
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