Posted on Jul 1, 2015
Do you have any advice on going from E4 to E5?
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I'm currently a SPC trying to get my NCO's to take me seriously and put me in a team leader spot so that I can go to the P board (I guess it's some kind of requirement for this company). I'm motivated almost every day, I'm always working, and the joes listen to me and usually don't give me any lip when I inform them of a detail we need to do. Usually half way through the job, an NCO will walk up and take over and I end up getting no credit for any of the work I put into whatever we had going on. I really don't know where I stand in this company and am honestly getting tired of being overlooked. Any advice would be appreciated because I'm starting to lose faith and motivation.
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It's all timing. You got great advice from everyone advice. You just have to apply your skills, let your actions speak for itself and achieve anything. I recommend once you start, finish all NCOES, that's the hardest chellange. Track your progress, update your records get use to update your progress in Your NCOERS. You must always walk your packets not depending someone else to do it for you. Good luck and stay safe.
At your speed
AForsythe
At your speed
AForsythe
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Your time in grade (TIG) and time in serves (TIS) should be your requirements to go to the promotion board and not whether holding a team leaders position.
I will give you the same basic advice I got as a PFC and as an NCO I tried to pass on; Never worry (to much) about promotion. Strive to not just master your job but learn that of the next higher rank. If you understand how the promotion points system works than all you have to do is master the skills. When you know the duties of your supervisor you basically ready to advance.
As a SPC wanting to be a SGT there are two things you need to do (other than above) you need to first ask yourself: Do you want to be an E-5 or an NCO? I hope the answer is an NCO, don't get lost in the SPC Mafia. Sooner than later they might be reporting directly to you.
I will give you the same basic advice I got as a PFC and as an NCO I tried to pass on; Never worry (to much) about promotion. Strive to not just master your job but learn that of the next higher rank. If you understand how the promotion points system works than all you have to do is master the skills. When you know the duties of your supervisor you basically ready to advance.
As a SPC wanting to be a SGT there are two things you need to do (other than above) you need to first ask yourself: Do you want to be an E-5 or an NCO? I hope the answer is an NCO, don't get lost in the SPC Mafia. Sooner than later they might be reporting directly to you.
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No matter what rank you are you'll always strive for the next one, once you become E5 you'll be wondering when you'll get E6. It's the way of the army, every MOS is different and although this is denied by most you're Pcs date may affect your promotion to E5, not saying that's the case for you. Also points, schools and etc can also affect these things. Somebody is always watching, it really just depends on situation. I know a lot of people expect their promotion but from E4 to E5 and there on out there are a lot of factors involved and it's not automatic, don't be to hard on your battles because you want to make an impression guys remember those things and until you become an NCO just focus on your tasks at hand
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I recommend you take something you enjoy, say learning a foreign language, and see if it's possible to earn promotion points.
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Do you know if you are truly ready for e5? You talk about getting p status what about going to WLC? I would push to go there first if you haven't gone yet before worrying about the p status. Team leader is one thing but do you think your ready for squad leader that's the NCOs position. If your ready to take the heat for your squad hey by all means jump and show your ready for the position. Until you have invested the time and the work to be an NCO I would relax do what you and observe how your NCOs are. Have an idea of what they may be doing right and wrong and what you would do as an NCO to not fall in the same error or what to improve on. Always a rank is earned not owed. Granted there are this that get the auto e5 but its up to COC to say ya or ney. And some do good job when it happens others get it let it go to their head and fall on their face. Don't be that guy. Been SPC 3 years now mostly cause of 798 so long and no deployments but it didn't stop me from chasing the dream. I fought through a lot of stuff to get where I am and had to prove my self over and over but it didn't stop me. Just be patient it will come and others are watching just give it and yourself time. Go to WLC get commandants list or honor grad show them you are ready for board don't tell them.
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ty station but it was my platoon Sgt that held me back my NCOs knew I could do the job was always first in last out at work. If it took working through lunch its what I did or if I had an Appt I would work through lunch or stay late to catch up work that I missed. I know it gets frustrating but believe me it will pay off. You should be motivated all the time false is Better then none. Trust me been there and done that. At least you aren't in my shoes I got picked up on by name list for may got a flag thrown on the play fought got the flag lifted and now waiting for paper work to catch back up. So I know how you feel just don't push where you shouldn't push. Always ask about going to board though and use your COC to see where you stand. Asking is better then telling them you are ready for board. Keep head up and don't let the game beat you.
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It sucks that some monkey is walking up to you and taking credit man I'd advise tactfully stating your confidence in completeing the job without help and if they keep hijacking your detail take it up with your first line
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First thing is that you have to understand, being an NCO is going to, at first, piss off all of your buds that have no hope of ever making it. You need to be able to accept a new world of responsibilities and it's not all about just being in charge. Congratulations on making it to this step. Make sure that you are squared away on all of your online classes, and workshops. If you have no college credits, now is the time to sign up for some classes. Show up early to formations, stay late when needed, learn how to correctly fill out all forms, and sign up for NCOES. WLC, ALC, SLC. etc.
A decent APFT score is a must, as well as M-16 range score. Volunteer to assist in manning the range. Anywhere you can make yourself stand out above the rest, do it. You don't have to be up on all regs, and equipment, but a knowledge of your MOS is a plus. Always train down to the next soldier. You can't move up if theres nobody to take your place. Always train subordinates. Never need asked to shave, or get your hair cut. Be the one who is always a soldier in mind, and in body. That should be a good start
A decent APFT score is a must, as well as M-16 range score. Volunteer to assist in manning the range. Anywhere you can make yourself stand out above the rest, do it. You don't have to be up on all regs, and equipment, but a knowledge of your MOS is a plus. Always train down to the next soldier. You can't move up if theres nobody to take your place. Always train subordinates. Never need asked to shave, or get your hair cut. Be the one who is always a soldier in mind, and in body. That should be a good start
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My advice would be ask to be sent to WLC. Every E-4 needs WLC. The way I got recognition as an E-4 was maxing my PT test. When you score extremely high even if your squad leader or platoon sergeant do not recognize it your 1sg will. Continue to be a leader. If you are in the reserves it's harder to be noticed because NCO's stay pretty busy. Put together your promotion packet yourself. It is easy because you have all the documents you need for it.
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Remember where you came from and Stripes do not make it right. Read books from great leaders, take your SSD classes, get a great mentor that is going places and follow your mentors example, go to your Ncoes schools with the frame of mind of graduating first in your class and make it happen! Go to NCO of the month boards, continue to grow and learn, never be satisfied with just doing your job always look for more to do and OWN your mistakes. Always challenge yourself as well as those assigned to you, then you're going to be fine.
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SSG Keith Cashion
SSG Trace gave great advise, but also remember, there will be adjusting that has to be done and understood between you and your previous E-4/ comrades. Some will congratulate you and respect you for your new responsibilities, and some will try to play the firend card, and test you. Very thin line. Depending on the unit or the length of time that you have been with your unit, section, team...you may want to see if there is opportunity to move to a different section, team or unit. Reasoning for that is, you will be able to learn and grow your leadership style without stepping on toes. Like I said, some of your comrades will be happy for you, and some will not.
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