Posted on Jul 18, 2016
Do you have to Wear headgear while in Medical "Nurse Scrubs"?
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Scrubs is a "utility" uniform that is intended to be worn at the immediate place of duty. If you wear them off the unit, but within the hospital, you have to cover them with a lab coat. they are not EVER intended to be worn outside of any MTF, so headgear is not even in the conversation....
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CSM(P) (Join to see) On a side note... There I was... William Beaumont Army Medical Center... Fort Bliss... I once made a 2LT nurse cry in the middle of the DFAC because I denied her entry into the DFAC based on the Hospital Commander's policy letter stating scrubs could not be worn in the DFAC. We were about to close and she was going to miss lunch because her shift ran long and didn't have time to change. It was hard keeping my composure and busting a gut when she started crying. But I would not let her in. She did report me to her NCOIC and OIC, which I kindly reminded them about the policy letter. No further action was taken.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
So you are proud your leadership style made someone cry and denied them a meal? "Hey LT, those scrubs are not allowed in the DFAC, can I help you get a meal?" Drill sgts make people cry, leaders find solutions to problems.
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MAJ Byron Oyler My leadership style does not entail making people cry at missing a meal. It does however, entail holding people accountable for actions. In this case an individual failed to be in compliance with the directive of a Colonel/Hospital Commander. The Hospital Commander directed a policy and, weather I agree with it or not, I will enforce it within the scope of my responsible area. Had I, as you suggest, picked up a meal for her I would have set a new standard of providing meals for personnel. That would make me nothing more than a U.S. Government paid personal waiter for a military officer. We are not Colonial British military where the enlisted serve the officers and bring them their meals and tea. I did provide her with a solution, I gave her the option of wearing the proper uniform and enjoying the DFAC or remaining in her scrubs and eating elsewhere. I was not rude or disrespectful nor did I strike her or verbally abuse or berate her. I denied her access based on existing policy. She chose to cry and make a scene when being told she couldn't do what she wanted. When she didn't get her way she attempted to use someone with more rank to influence me or get me in trouble. Unfortunately for her I had policy and my senior leadership on my side.
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Lt Col Paul Maxwell
Noted. NCO reduces 2LT to tears, instead of providing help and solving her problem. What about larger duty of making sure the troops are fed and taken care of? Maybe she was late taking care of someone you knew/cared about?
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SGT (Join to see)
'Enjoy the DEFAC' is what caught my eye... I 'LOL'd on that one. I haven't enjoyed an Army DEFAC since 2006, 7th Group holds the standard on what a DEFAC should be and serve. WBAMC's DEFAC is just a place to stop by as a last resort to passing out from malnutrition.
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AR 670-1, Chapter 7 (male), and 8 (female)
Headgear is a required part of the uniform.
Around a hospital, you will see fairly liberal "no headgear, no salute" signage. But hospital scrubs are only appropriate for wear while at work and travelling to and from, not when conducting business elsewhere. If they are in hospital scrubs, they should maintain the standards for wear just like every other Soldier, no matter how casual they are about it in the AMC.
Headgear is a required part of the uniform.
Around a hospital, you will see fairly liberal "no headgear, no salute" signage. But hospital scrubs are only appropriate for wear while at work and travelling to and from, not when conducting business elsewhere. If they are in hospital scrubs, they should maintain the standards for wear just like every other Soldier, no matter how casual they are about it in the AMC.
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LTC Paul Labrador
1SG (Join to see) - Top, my last read through 670-1 didn't mention scrubs at all...unless they were added in to the latest revision. Historically, folks working at an MTF wore the hospital white uniform (which is still actually authorized IIRC). Scrub wear was almost exclusively a local command policy.
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LTC Paul Labrador - Possible I am conflating the two. I was looking up the Army Hospital Uniform.
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LTC Paul Labrador
1SG (Join to see) - Roger. Yeah, that was referring to the hospital whites....which pretty much no one wears anymore. But if you were wearing hospital whites, you are required to wear a cover when outdoors, as they are considered equivalent to Class B's.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
It was always my experience that medical folks wore the overseas hat with whites, just as cooks did, when they bothered to. Always remember and do not forget AMEDDs is not the real Army. LOL
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