Posted on Jan 22, 2017
Do you think America will overcome the divisive hate rhetoric? Whose responsibility is it to change?
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Is America still exceptional? Is the hate speech that began during the election season now a habit that we can't break? I am avoiding most social media site because no matter where I go, news, social media, I am overwhelmed by the hate expressed by both sides. The hypocrisy and disinformation or misinformation is upsetting to a patriot. Since you have all mostly served in the Armed Forces, lead on
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One hopes so! There seems to be a lot of hate out their mostly from the left recently but the right was not immune to it when Pres Obama was in office. I certainly do not hate our former President or Hillary though I certainly don't agree with much of their philosophy. When I see Carl Palodino says some of the things that he said about Pres. Obama and his family and them Madonna stating she would like to blow up the WH it sure makes me wonder!!
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We went through similar doubts after Reagan became President including massive obstruction by the Democrats. Two to Three years into his first term the Democrats started to split, a swath of them found themselves agreeing with and voting with Reagan. The others continued to obstruct well into Regans second term. However, once the split happened the Obstructionists were outvoted in both chambers of Congress and could do basically nothing but watch and snivel. I think we will see the same thing happen if Trump delivers and continues to deliver. A chunk of Democrats being reasonable and fairly honest will split off and join with the Republicans.
Your never going to make everyone happy on the Democratic side as some of them really hate Capitalism and want to move to a Socialist model.
Your never going to make everyone happy on the Democratic side as some of them really hate Capitalism and want to move to a Socialist model.
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Maj (Join to see)
SP5 Christine C. - WHOA... Many Americans denigrated Obama, and Obama has denigrated Bush throughout his presidency as he has every republican who didn't act like a liberal. You want to talk about racist overtones of the right... but what of the left (e.g., BLM)? And it's totally BS that Trump provoked the labels. Those labels were being applied to conservatives since Obama took office. He didn't cause this.
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Maj (Join to see)
SP5 Christine C. - Hillary was demonized? Really? By the MSM-- hell no. And not rumors... Pay to play, real. All of the damning evidence from WikiLeaks, real. The serial lying, the Benghazi cover-up, REAL. The compromising classified information, REAL. If you or I did what she had done, we'd be in prison now and you know that.
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Maj (Join to see)
SPC Erich Guenther - ROFL, Carter has widely been regarded as the WORST president and Obama is on his way there too. Citing their lack of experience just proves the point.
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SPC Erich Guenther
Maj (Join to see) - Thats true but it was more my point to illustrate that it seems the requirments for the White House change on the Left as soon as the party affiliation of the Candidate changes............most Lefties are blind to this as they outsoruce their thinking............so you kind of have to lead them there.
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Big Topic that should be an issue for all Americans at this point in time. Of course it is the responsibility of we, the people, to facilitate the change. And change always starts with one's own attitudes and behavior.
The hate speech during the campaign may have been one for the books because of social media being used to address issues in exaggerated and negative ways that seem to still be creating divisiveness and polarity. Although some of it may be due to bad impulse control, we might do well to recognize that the effort could also be the tip of an iceberg.
Having been involved in a so-called "teamwork" effort, for a time, with a group of people who worked hard to superimpose questionable ideology (particularly targeting idealistic college students) - I would have to suggest that such efforts are far more "organized" and far-reaching in the civilian world than many might imagine - often in the guise of "peace work". In my personal experience it seems an extension of the threat's "Cold War" methodology - especially when the folks involved actually say they are Marxists and/or Maoists while marginalizing everyone in the group who does not commit to at least being far far left on the political spectrum. I suspect that some regions, or cities, attract more than their share of such well organized networks.
I considered it a badge of honor to have been marginalized by such folks. lol But the trouble that can cause speaks to how extensive and functional such networks are. And for the record, I am no more enthralled by folks on the far, far, right. I actually consider "right" and "left" to be "foreign" terms when used politically to replace "liberal" and "conservative". "The left" refers to the right as "Fascists". "The right" refers to the left as "Communists". As such "left" and "right" are not analogous to "liberal" and "conservative"!
The increasingly bad habit of double standard hypocrisy, disinformation, and misinformation, especially as they relate to our nations foreign policies is likely to be our nation's downfall, if not the increased use domestically of the same. Both efforts undermine the exceptional nature of our nation.
When push comes to shove we are not a nation of political extremists. Our nation of people has always embraced passionate individualism intent on self-definition and defense of others, rather than negative defining of others. Perhaps if the percentage of Americans who have chosen to serve in the military was larger, and if more folks in government were veterans, I would be more inclined to say there would be less wheel spinning in the efforts to get back on the right path as a nation - as expressed in our nation's stated values, principles and ideals. At this point my concern is: how bad will it get before it gets better.
The hate speech during the campaign may have been one for the books because of social media being used to address issues in exaggerated and negative ways that seem to still be creating divisiveness and polarity. Although some of it may be due to bad impulse control, we might do well to recognize that the effort could also be the tip of an iceberg.
Having been involved in a so-called "teamwork" effort, for a time, with a group of people who worked hard to superimpose questionable ideology (particularly targeting idealistic college students) - I would have to suggest that such efforts are far more "organized" and far-reaching in the civilian world than many might imagine - often in the guise of "peace work". In my personal experience it seems an extension of the threat's "Cold War" methodology - especially when the folks involved actually say they are Marxists and/or Maoists while marginalizing everyone in the group who does not commit to at least being far far left on the political spectrum. I suspect that some regions, or cities, attract more than their share of such well organized networks.
I considered it a badge of honor to have been marginalized by such folks. lol But the trouble that can cause speaks to how extensive and functional such networks are. And for the record, I am no more enthralled by folks on the far, far, right. I actually consider "right" and "left" to be "foreign" terms when used politically to replace "liberal" and "conservative". "The left" refers to the right as "Fascists". "The right" refers to the left as "Communists". As such "left" and "right" are not analogous to "liberal" and "conservative"!
The increasingly bad habit of double standard hypocrisy, disinformation, and misinformation, especially as they relate to our nations foreign policies is likely to be our nation's downfall, if not the increased use domestically of the same. Both efforts undermine the exceptional nature of our nation.
When push comes to shove we are not a nation of political extremists. Our nation of people has always embraced passionate individualism intent on self-definition and defense of others, rather than negative defining of others. Perhaps if the percentage of Americans who have chosen to serve in the military was larger, and if more folks in government were veterans, I would be more inclined to say there would be less wheel spinning in the efforts to get back on the right path as a nation - as expressed in our nation's stated values, principles and ideals. At this point my concern is: how bad will it get before it gets better.
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Col Rebecca Lorraine
Well articulated perspective. Thank you for so eloquently defining the problem and suggesting our potential way forward. I think the balanced 70% that are centrist in ideology should begin to deny the extremists at both end. Make it socially unacceptable to so individualistic as to forget we are indeed social beings that depend on each other for survival.
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Interesting survey results and dialogue. I'm hoping we can all stop hating on each other, be proactive citizens, stay engaged in this country's governing, character, values, and sing "America, The Beautiful" everyday and mean it! Thanks for participating!
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Can America overcome the divisive hate rhetoric? Yes. Whose responsibility is it to change? All of us!
How can we overcome it, by sticking to the golden rule of treating others as you wish you to be treated. This doesn't mean to blindly follow but to listen to other's ideas and to do so respectfully. We can all disagree on things but it doesn't mean we have to be jerks to those that do not agree with us. When we all start to talk like the smart, educated professionals that we are, we can start to make the change.
How can we overcome it, by sticking to the golden rule of treating others as you wish you to be treated. This doesn't mean to blindly follow but to listen to other's ideas and to do so respectfully. We can all disagree on things but it doesn't mean we have to be jerks to those that do not agree with us. When we all start to talk like the smart, educated professionals that we are, we can start to make the change.
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We will have to wait and see. I know Democrats are worried that Trump presidency will be a success. Obama and Hillary push that naritive. It was all about Obama skin color. That's why he could not pass anything. Fueling the fires by commenting on or sending Eric Hiolder to every protest by blm. We know Fergasin was a lie. And blm being front and center at Hillary convention. And had to be shamed into doing a moment of silence. Such was disrupted by Hillary or one if he surragets yelling blm.
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Col Rebecca Lorraine
Beyond Trump/GOP stance on pro-life issues, TSgt Kenneth Ellis - overall there is a huge ideological difference in social issues, environmental issues, human rights, and less about the elite wealthy. I just read Thomas Paines "Common Sense" and do wonder at the direction in which we are headed. Will Trump be dictatorial as a business owner or will he learn the designed system of three branches of government. He actually didn't change leadership at the VA, but hired from within. I don't feel optimistic with him leading us, but hope still that we will reunite as a nation without a catastrophic event like 9/11.
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis
Col Rebecca Lorraine - I don't believe in climate change. The change it from global warming. So it fit everything. It's just a way for Giverments to get bigger. And user developed countries to stay that way. You would think that someone would have come up with a way. So that plastic six pack holders would break open when a turtle or seal got there head stuck in it. And we don't us hydraulic mining any more. I like the way he ended his speech.
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis
Col Rebecca Lorraine - we are coming up on the anniversary of Desert Storm and Desert Sheild. They have anniversary cruises.
I see you were stationed in Germany. Did you attend any Volksmarch?
I see you were stationed in Germany. Did you attend any Volksmarch?
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It will change once people get over being butt hurt about Great Grand Daddy and accept responsibility for their actions. For crying out loud stay in school, out of gangs, away from drugs and the thug life. After we have had a Black President and Attorney General. One would think that the only thing holding them back is playing the racist victim card.
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Col Rebecca Lorraine Didn't POTUS Trump's inauguration speech indicate a desire to get both parties working together for the good of the Nation?
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Col Rebecca Lorraine - Two weeks ago, (Jan 8th or the 15th, 2017), on '60 Minutes' didn't then POTUS Obama concede he had not done well as a leader and consequently started issuing 'executive orders! because he could not persuade Congress to act?
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BO stood there and told mccain to shut up, he won, paraphrased. Do you honestly think BO played well with the opposition, rebecca? The population said no to obamacare and not one republican politician voted for it. They rammed it down our throats and called it a good thing; it's a failure. He never once called out the violence against police, but came to the defense of the criminals. Compromise is give and take, but BO didn't compromise, it was his way or the highway. I'm sick of the liberal agenda, it's time that the majority is heard and stop the federal social engineering that is destroying civility.
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SGT Lou Meza
Maj (Join to see) - When Obama said ' sit down, shut up, we won ' was that before or after Sen. McConnell comment on making Obama a one term President?
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Cpl (Join to see) - I really wish there were a love button as I would be loving on your comment :)
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until we have responsible journalism, both sides have scewed what is truth and fiction, as far as the left they need to chill and let the new potus lead, there are way too many presumptions made without real evidence, let him lead and after his term then decide, I've seen way too many jobs out sourced and already pay more taxes than I want just to cover those that don't work
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While I am quite aware and have experienced quite a lot of Divisiveness, I have not seen a lot of hate rhetoric. Can you please provide some actual examples of hate rhetoric?
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Col Rebecca Lorraine
Hate speech is going mainstream
What an expert has to say about it may be equally alarming.
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Perfect example of hate rhetoric would be democrat politicians calling the GOP terrorists and worse than ISIS, as well as Hillary referring to conservatives as irredeemable and deplorable.
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Col Rebecca Lorraine - The very dated and skewed article you mention, states, "Hate speech is discourse designed to attack, demean, dehumanize a specific person (or group) based on that persons group membership (identity). We typically expect a group identity to be based on a person’s religion, ethnicity, race, gender, gender identity or sexual orientation. It is not unusual for someone to pursue persuasive, social or political goal(s) by manipulating people’s hatred of a group. This is hate speech." Sounds an awful lot like what we're hearing from the oh so tolerant left since they lost the election.
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Col Rebecca Lorraine
Maj (Join to see) - hate speech as defined isn't dated like those "libtards" have eloquently summarized. The hate speech and strategic rhetoric goes both ways. If it was from 1850 it might be dated but then the civil war certainly had its share of hate, don't you think? The extension to demonizing fat people, ugly women (as Trump did), political beliefs, ideological and philosophical ideas can be tied to any of the core social factors. Most of the divisive hate speech is on blogs. How do you think the "oh so tolerant Right" would be acting if "the old hag" and "nasty woman" had won?
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