Posted on Feb 2, 2017
Do you think illegal immigrants should be able to use welfare/public assistance?
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Considering all the illegal immigrants in this country, do you think they should be able to use welfare or public assistance considering they aren't citizens and that many working Americans are denied welfare or public assistance.
Posted 9 y ago
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Hmm. I say no as well. It pains me to say this especially when children are involved. It also pisses me off when I hear words such as " Send those Mexicans back to their country!". I happened to be born in Mexico and was naturalized in 1999. So I take great offense to this. As it stands, undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years. How do I know? I used to work at Texas Workforce where many people come to apply for public assistance. Most illegals contribute and pay taxes whether they know it or not. Almost all of them will never received what they have contributed. They have contributed to our economy totaling in the billions of dollars and most Americans think that they come here to get on public assistance. It is a well known fact that the majority of Americans on welfare are white Americans, not Blacks, or Hispanics, but whites. Just saying. The fact still remains that illegals have broken the law, but damn it's a misdemeanor at best. If I am wrong please correct me. Not justifying the action, but when I hear such things like : they are criminals " I have to say. Of course they are, but they are no terrorist and many are not violent. They tend to be low key fearful of being deported. Some are bad apples, but which population doesn't have any? It makes all the hype when an illegal commits a violent crime, but we know very well that most crimes in America are committed by Americans. I am a proud American who served my country and think that everyone should contribute and do their part. No free rides because if I can do it, so can they.
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SGT (Join to see)
Agree to disagree brother. At 49, I've seen a few things as well as heard a lot. I do agree with your last statement though.
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SGT (Join to see)
MCPO Bernard N. - Please look up Marine Lance Corporal Carlos Peralta's story. May change your view on all illegals a slight bit.
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SPC Randy Torgerson
SGT (Join to see) - You shouldn't get offended by anothers ignorance. Also, stop worrying about what someone thinks. Quite frankly its none of your business what someone thinks, even if it is stupid, ignorant and false. 1A gives those same people the right to say offending things. Actions are a different story. I rarely get mad at what a stupid person says, but I get upset more when other people jump in and try to defend that stupid persons position. Its like, I don't get mad at Nancy Polosi, I get mad at the people who keep voting for her..... On the other hand, I really do understand what you mean by people thinking bad thoughts about you and pretending to be your friend. Its pretty shameful really. I think they have no character.
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SGT (Join to see)
Nah, I don't get offended for me, but the voices of many who can't stand up for themselves. I hate bullies and will always stand up to them. I wish someone would say something to me face to face. They will get their feelings hurt, especially if they talk bad about veterans, who are near and dear to my heart. Good response brother.
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H--- No. They need to become lrgal and pay taxes like all of us have been doing for years.
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SPC Randy Torgerson
SGT (Join to see) - SGT, please tell me that is not your argument....? For clarity lets just say there is a deficit in what taxes are paid and what is consumed....
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SGT (Join to see)
They don't pay the same amount of taxes that we do and I am tired of our taxes going to such a population, but taxes are still paid by them. I came here from another country, served, earned my degree and am now a voter and tax payer. Not all have the initiative that I do. Still, it is illegal for them to receive public assistance anyway. Unless, some are turning the other cheek and making up false SS numbers. Seen that happen before.
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SPC Randy Torgerson
SGT (Join to see) - and its illegal for them to be here, so whats the difference if they break another law or two or three or four....., etc....
As far you go, I'm damn happy for people like you who came here and saw what american had to offer. You sir have embraced the american way of life. That doesn't mean you give up your heritage. It just means you became american. There is a big difference between becoming American and simply coming to America. With no border how do we control who becomes American and who just comes to America?
As far you go, I'm damn happy for people like you who came here and saw what american had to offer. You sir have embraced the american way of life. That doesn't mean you give up your heritage. It just means you became american. There is a big difference between becoming American and simply coming to America. With no border how do we control who becomes American and who just comes to America?
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I think the key word there is "illegal". They have already broken the law.
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SGT (Join to see)
Yeah, save the public assistance for the other law breakers. You know drug dealers, pimps, etc...Crossing the border is way more serious of a crime.
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SPC Randy Torgerson
SGT (Join to see) - crossing the border is serious. Please don't belittle our sovereign nation. And yes the whole welfare system needs a major revamping but that is a separate conversation.
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No the term illegal says it all. Under this countries laws they can come here and request to become a legal citizen. But until the illegals go through the process they are criminals and should not have any assistance from our government. Only emergency medical treatment to sustain life saving procedures and than sent back to their country of origin.
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MCPO Roger Collins
Just so I understand, if two American citizens in Germany, since you mentioned the SOFA, a military couple, has to take action for their child to become an American citizen.
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MCPO Roger Collins
III. American-German Dual Nationality
Both the United States and Germany recognize the concept of multiple nationality.
A child born to an American parent and a German parent acquires both American and German citizenship at birth, regardless of place of birth, if the parents satisfy the jus soli or jus sanguinis requirements of their respective countries. See the sections above entitled, “Basic Primer on American Citizenship Law,” and “Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law.” Neither country requires a person born under these circumstances to choose between American and German citizenship, i.e., he/she may keep both citizenships his/her entire life.
A child born in Germany to two American parents or other non-German parents may also become a dual national at birth under the circumstances described in paragraph 4 in the section above entitled, “Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law.” Under German law, he/she would have to choose between American and German citizenship before turning 23.
Both the United States and Germany recognize the concept of multiple nationality.
A child born to an American parent and a German parent acquires both American and German citizenship at birth, regardless of place of birth, if the parents satisfy the jus soli or jus sanguinis requirements of their respective countries. See the sections above entitled, “Basic Primer on American Citizenship Law,” and “Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law.” Neither country requires a person born under these circumstances to choose between American and German citizenship, i.e., he/she may keep both citizenships his/her entire life.
A child born in Germany to two American parents or other non-German parents may also become a dual national at birth under the circumstances described in paragraph 4 in the section above entitled, “Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law.” Under German law, he/she would have to choose between American and German citizenship before turning 23.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
MCPO Roger Collins - Yup. That is correct. My son was born in England and I had to register him with the American embassy or he would remain English. Same for a lot of European countries. SOFA's may have been different at one time tho, as evidenced by the fact that your foreign girlfriend used to become an automatic citizen upon marriage. We missed it by a year. Also, as Lisa was English, the American hospital asked her if she'd like an American birth certificate or English when our daughters were born in Florida.
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Personally I don't think LEGAL immigrants should have access to them, become a citizen, THEN you can have access to non-emergency services (don't want foreign guests dying on us).
I don't go to other countries thinking that I'll get benefits from THEIR government...
I don't go to other countries thinking that I'll get benefits from THEIR government...
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MAJ (Join to see)
SGT (Join to see) - You ever been to Canada and tried to get a work permit as a US citizen?
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SPC David Hannaman
SGT (Join to see) - I'm not sure what you mean... there may be *some* Americans that go to Canada for Healthcare (there were some a while back that went there for Medications), but I think that's the "exception" not the "norm".
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MCPO Roger Collins
As far as I know, it is impossible to immigrate to Canada without a job offer from a Canadian...
You have particularly questioned work permit. The Work Permit is temporary and requires LMO (Labour Market Opinion) based job offer from Canada. However, if you talk about PR Visa in Canada, it is possible to get it without a job offer.
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SGT (Join to see)
As a matter of fact. there have been plenty. Without disclosing exactly what I do, due to sensitive information, many of illegals have contacted us from Canada.
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Absolutely not. First of all we have vets who are homeless (some by choice) and are not qualified for any aid or subsistence. Second weather the immigrants are working (performing jobs that most citizens won't do) or not, they are here illegally and are not entitled to the benefits of being a legal American citizen. I am tired of the bleeding hearts saying its a human right thing and the conservatives or Republicans are "racist" etc.. they are braking the law and should either be vetted and given the chance to become a legal American citizen and pay taxes and SS or sent back to their country of origin. We have laws in this country that are ignored most of the time by the far left and Democrats due to the laws don't suit their position. Tough! If I brake the law I expect to be prosecuted or charged with the crime. And in 99% of the time the law abiding citizen will be charged. I served my country for 20 years and not once did I ever expect anything from my country other than what I am entitled to through hard work, sacrifices and paying my taxes. Hell we have American citizens who have never worked a day in their life and expect to have a free ride for everything because of their color or gender. And I think we are at least in our 4th or 5th generation of the entitled. And complain when they might have to work or perform some type of service to their community or country to receive what ever it is that they want. Our great country has fallen off the cliff and I fear I will never live long enough to see it recover due to the liberal thinking and "the ME" generation.
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SGT (Join to see)
Disagree with you on the tax paying because they do pay taxes, but homeless veterans trumps all in my book. Serve those who served first. Always!
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