Posted on Feb 2, 2017
Do you think illegal immigrants should be able to use welfare/public assistance?
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Considering all the illegal immigrants in this country, do you think they should be able to use welfare or public assistance considering they aren't citizens and that many working Americans are denied welfare or public assistance.
Posted 9 y ago
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I provide an illustration of moral comparison. A Combat vet walks into the VFW to seek membership and is granted status. He is eligible as a VFW Member correct? If a state side non combatant walks into the VFW and asks for the same status should he be granted it just because he had come in a number of times to sit at the bar and gain a few benefits of a free beer because someone else paid for a round?I think all would agree that the individual is not eligible unless with a Sponsor, but not eligible for a "Status" as a VFW member. To add to that, even the VFW Auxiliary has a requirement of a lineal descendent of the first or second degree in order to be a member of the Auxiliary. These are social organizations that support a set class of veterans based on an eligibility protocol. You must enter legally(with proper credentials) before consideration is granted for any service or benefit. This thought process is necessary for identifying those who are truly eligible. Now how would either the VFW and/or its Auxiliary deal with one who failed to go through the written and accepted processes, and essentially received services and benefits in the face of the others, and was NOT qualified at any level. Those who think that Illegal (skirting the legal requirements of eligibility) should view the original question in the terms presented in the VFW example. It causes resentment and distrust in the leadership!
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First and foremost NO. One who is illegal violated the Law. The operative word is ILLEGAL There is no such status as undocumented Alien. That is a Social Engineered term designed to lessen the value of the law. I have many friends that are LEGAL Aliens, one of which I am Sponsoring for Green Card and US Citizenship. As a Sponsor, I have to validate MY CAPACITY to care for her so that she does not become a charge to the state (meaning Welfare). She is legally employed because she did what the law required and she is in compliance of that law. To allow an Illegal Alien to receive services and benefits that are DENIED Legal Immigrants is an abomination of our laws and in fact, it encourages illegal status in the USA. Yes I am prejudiced by experience, obligation, and my wealth to ensure the legal process has been effected and maintained. I am ensuring the Legal Immigrant does not become a welfare recipient during the process and ensuring she has the skill set to remain self dependent. I would offer the counter question... Should every Sponsor of an Immigrant be repaid for their investment into the self dependent Legal Immigrant if it is approved for Illegal Aliens to receive that of which I pledged my personal wealth to keep the Sponsored Legal Alien in compliance with the law?
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No way,in fact they need to be publicly helped back to where they came from at their own expense.
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No, and to take it further where else in the World could someone be not a citizen and obtain actual services and/or benefits? Ans: NOWHERE! The American Politicians have been conducting a RUSE on the American Public FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW. They send Funding to other nations under the name of AID. Those Politicians from the receiving country then turn around and send it back to our Politicians for favors for their country and to allow this so called ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION POLICY to continue. THIS IS THE WAY OUR GOVERNMENT HAS FIGURED OUT TO "LAUNDRY MONEY."
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Absolutely not. There's no debate about it. Since they are here getting paid under the table (not paying taxes) they should not get any assistance until they become legal and be here LEGALLY for at least 3-5 years paying their taxes. Maybe only then they can qualify for it but since then they will probably be contributing to society, (working legally, getting benefits from employer) there should be no need for them to get any assistance but if they do, it would be minimal.
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I don't think it's a big deal for two reasons:
1) If they legitimately need the assistance and they don't receive it, the alternative is a larger population of hungry children, higher crime due to necessity, etc. I know this sounds like public assistance is being held ransom, but those are the two choices in reality.
2) They are here, and the reason they are not being actively deported is because in some ways they are beneficial. For example, they pay state tax on everything they buy. The "free market" people are all about paying employees as little as possible and illegal immigrants present an opportunity for either an employer to hire under the table for less than minimum wage, or an illegal to work and pay federal tax (without the possibility of receiving the benefits of paying said tax in the form of public assistance, for example).
1) If they legitimately need the assistance and they don't receive it, the alternative is a larger population of hungry children, higher crime due to necessity, etc. I know this sounds like public assistance is being held ransom, but those are the two choices in reality.
2) They are here, and the reason they are not being actively deported is because in some ways they are beneficial. For example, they pay state tax on everything they buy. The "free market" people are all about paying employees as little as possible and illegal immigrants present an opportunity for either an employer to hire under the table for less than minimum wage, or an illegal to work and pay federal tax (without the possibility of receiving the benefits of paying said tax in the form of public assistance, for example).
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SSG Norbert Johnson
I can understand your position to a point that they are here, but they do not legitimately need assistance from US as they could receive it in their home country, Example. Mexico does not provide welfare to Illegal Immigrants. SO if you are an American Immigrant illegally in Mexico, and really needed assistance.. you are legally bared from receiving it. So if the point was legitimately needing assistance, you could go back to the USA and qualify for the services. Legal Immigrants pay Taxes. Foreign Nationals who visit the USA PAY TAXES. SO the Tax issue is moot at this stage of the game. What is not considered is that the Illegal Population does work, but that work takes away employment for legal immigrants as well as US Citizens. In California alone which is has a welfare population of 1/3rd that of the US Combined, also has the highest population of illegal Immigrants. If they are illegal, it is illegal for them to Work. If they were not working, there would be more unskilled labor jobs for legitimate persons in the USA to work. Working is a right of the Legal Population and a Privilege for all others. When that privilege supersedes that of a right, it devalues the concept of Citizenship.
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Hello no !! It's bad enough the states are abusing welfare/public assistance from my disability pension to pay ADULT WELFARE (Lifetime Alimony) to my ex wife. This is matched by the federal government, giving the states $2 for every $1 garnished, taken from our SS funds. Title IV, Section D of the SS ACT.
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