Posted on Jan 3, 2016
Do you think military retirees should be accorded more active participation if they desire?
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I believe that two things should happen with reasons why:
1. All reserve/National Guard retirees in the gray area should be allowed to stay in an IRR/for points only status until age 60 if they desire. It would facilitate mobilization if they are needed; it would not cost that much more in the small amount of increased retirement pay at 60; and it would not interfere with ability of other reservists to move up since it would be IRR only.
2. There should be an active program where retirees who are receiving their retirement pay can volunteer with local active, reserve or Guard units where they live. ie administration, recruiting, public affairs, training, mentoring. Some times its done informally. State defense forces do it with NG units, but not all states have it and it only applies to Army and Air Guard units.
In both cases above it taps upon the wisdom and experience of our retired military members.
I am a proud retired "Soldier for LIfe" I can still pass a PT test at age 66 and although I am very active with military/veterans associations and military-themed youth groups, I still miss working with active soldiers!
1. All reserve/National Guard retirees in the gray area should be allowed to stay in an IRR/for points only status until age 60 if they desire. It would facilitate mobilization if they are needed; it would not cost that much more in the small amount of increased retirement pay at 60; and it would not interfere with ability of other reservists to move up since it would be IRR only.
2. There should be an active program where retirees who are receiving their retirement pay can volunteer with local active, reserve or Guard units where they live. ie administration, recruiting, public affairs, training, mentoring. Some times its done informally. State defense forces do it with NG units, but not all states have it and it only applies to Army and Air Guard units.
In both cases above it taps upon the wisdom and experience of our retired military members.
I am a proud retired "Soldier for LIfe" I can still pass a PT test at age 66 and although I am very active with military/veterans associations and military-themed youth groups, I still miss working with active soldiers!
Edited 10 y ago
Posted 10 y ago
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And that is a nifty point about the SDFs, I'd obviously noticed that, as well....
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I just figured I'd repeat the stuff I'd sent in on that other thread here, just for convenience, it seemed apt for this one also...here it is:
I was yakking with somebody on a thread on here a cpl of days ago, and had something I thought interesting get brought up, OK? One of the other guys I'd been yakking with is apparently mil retired, possibly also disabled, I'm not entirely sure...anyway, he, as have I, had wanted to try to contribute to the svcs somehow in a serious volunteer way, so, as I did, he'd looked at the state defense forces (SDFs), the ones that largely fall under that group SGAUS, that I'd sent in here sevl times. Apparently, he pretty much agreed with my thoughts, though, he'd also found that, for total perm disabled, evidently, insurance rules seem to preclude use of mil/vet disabled, esp total perm, from being used by them, I guess due to perfectly understandable state-government liability thoughts of some kind, from what I've gathered. Now I can obviously understand the reasoning behind such thoughts, as well as the bureaucratic caution involved, of course; I merely pointed out to him various other suggestions, many of which he'd also considered himself, like CAP, USCG Auxiliary, JROTC volunteer faculty, Navy Sea Cadets, and Army Volunteer Corps (AVC), which I've sent in here asking about, to see if any of you knew anything about it at all. Which then begged the question I'd thought to send in here: Have any of you ever heard of any serious Federal effort to create a serious Federal body to use mil/vet disabled, of any level, incl total perm, on any serious organized basis, to help with, say, local Reserve/Guard centers, or state armory stuff? I'm obviously well aware of the family MWR stuff, certainly, I've also looked at USCG Auxiliary, esp, being as they have, from what I've gathered, the most in the way of serious usage of an auxiliary for actual operational stuff, I've been really wanting to do it, it's just that my whole total perm disabled thing constantly gets in the way, for myriad reasons. Now, that being said, I'd obviously be more than willing to help, say, the NY Guard (NYG) by us, one of the SDFs, of course, if it could somehow be legally allowed. Though, whether that'd take a Federal or state law, I clearly don't have a clue; my point is, if you all look at the whole border wall thing, or disaster relief/aid, there's also the USPHS, which runs the Medical Reserve Corps (MRC) nationwide, which our dentist, who went NYG as a dental friend of his had wanted him to join him in the NY ARNG, had suggested for me. I just wasn't sure if the total perm disabled rules might let me actually do MRC, as I'd obviously possibly need to turn on my clinical license again, which, likewise, I have no clue if it'd also be allowed, as well. He eventually switched from NYG to NY ARNG, as he found he was suited to it, NYG let him go, when NY ARNG picked him up. I know, also, that USCG Aux has a clinical program for licensed clinicians to be able to help at USCG facilities, among other things they allow, like standing real radio watches, helping guard installations, also helping in galleys for cooking, I've seen sites on those aspects as well. My point is, the whole thing just strikes me as rather haphazard and disorganized, only insofar as one has to basically try to search out some mechanism suited to one's background, where one could be allowed to participate. I've just wondered, quite seriously, whether it might make sense to actually try to create an organized mechanism for mil/vet disabled to be able to contribute to the svcs, whether active, Guard, Reserve, whichever, on any serious combined Federal/state organized level, you know? As I'd said, the idea has just been rolling around in my noggin for some time now, it was just that my yakking with that other guy on that other thread kind of crystallized the whole thing for me, prompting me to write the whole question up here for all of you to also try to chew on, so far as possible. I mean, I wouldn't have clue one how to actually organize such a thing, plus, God knows, it'd obviously need manifest help from all of the major disabled-vet groups, of course, as well as other vet groups besides, in addition to Congressional as well as state legislative help. My sole thought is that the whole mil/vet disabled population could represent, if properly organized, potentially, on any serious organized level, as opposed to doing the whole thing piecemeal and haphazardly, a serious potential Federal/state resource that could really be a major possible force multiplier, in terms of being able to contribute experientially to local units, as well as on a serious state/national level, that's all I'm trying to get across. As I'd said, those are obviously solely my thoughts, of course; I'd just wondered if all of you might be able to give any thought to the notion, whether disabled or not. I know there's apparently some sort of mechanism for mil/vet retirees to be able to try to go back in, whether active, Guard, Reserve, whatever, however, the laws for them are different than for those mil/vets who are disabled. Whether one might be mil/vet retired combined with mil/vet disabled, or not, my point is, the whole mil/vet disabled thing clearly seems to preempt one's ability to try to contribute seriously in the fashion I describe, not due to any overt wish to interfere, rather, merely out of, as I'd said, bureaucratic caution as to liability, I've gathered. Maybe I'm reading the whole thing wrong; honestly, I'm not entirely sure, it's just that I've obviously been trying to do something serious to be of such use for years, many of you have doubtless see me write up stuff about me asking about such volunteer stuff; I just thought I'd actually send this in, to try, as I'd said, to crystallize my thoughts about the whole thing, in the hope that you all might see it, and be able to maybe give the whole notion some thought, as it were; that's pretty much everything I've thought of, I'd really be most eager to hear the notions of all of you about the whole thing, if you'd all ever have any time to be able to try to give me any of your ideas, honest, many thanks, sorry this was so long, I just needed to try to explain the whole thing adequately, so as to try to convey what was on my mind, that was all, OK? I'd appreciate any thoughts, plus, if sending this might possibly engender any serious effort or reflection about the whole thing, I just figured it'd be at least of some value, purely for that reason, as well, many thanks, obviously, looking forward to any ideas, no rush, whenever might be convenient, I know this is likely gonna have to be modified and/or shortened by admin, I obviously expect that, I just was uncertain how else to send it in, to try to explain my ideas properly, as I'd said, if it's gotta be shortened a good deal, I completely understand the reasons, by all means, many thanks, once again.
I was yakking with somebody on a thread on here a cpl of days ago, and had something I thought interesting get brought up, OK? One of the other guys I'd been yakking with is apparently mil retired, possibly also disabled, I'm not entirely sure...anyway, he, as have I, had wanted to try to contribute to the svcs somehow in a serious volunteer way, so, as I did, he'd looked at the state defense forces (SDFs), the ones that largely fall under that group SGAUS, that I'd sent in here sevl times. Apparently, he pretty much agreed with my thoughts, though, he'd also found that, for total perm disabled, evidently, insurance rules seem to preclude use of mil/vet disabled, esp total perm, from being used by them, I guess due to perfectly understandable state-government liability thoughts of some kind, from what I've gathered. Now I can obviously understand the reasoning behind such thoughts, as well as the bureaucratic caution involved, of course; I merely pointed out to him various other suggestions, many of which he'd also considered himself, like CAP, USCG Auxiliary, JROTC volunteer faculty, Navy Sea Cadets, and Army Volunteer Corps (AVC), which I've sent in here asking about, to see if any of you knew anything about it at all. Which then begged the question I'd thought to send in here: Have any of you ever heard of any serious Federal effort to create a serious Federal body to use mil/vet disabled, of any level, incl total perm, on any serious organized basis, to help with, say, local Reserve/Guard centers, or state armory stuff? I'm obviously well aware of the family MWR stuff, certainly, I've also looked at USCG Auxiliary, esp, being as they have, from what I've gathered, the most in the way of serious usage of an auxiliary for actual operational stuff, I've been really wanting to do it, it's just that my whole total perm disabled thing constantly gets in the way, for myriad reasons. Now, that being said, I'd obviously be more than willing to help, say, the NY Guard (NYG) by us, one of the SDFs, of course, if it could somehow be legally allowed. Though, whether that'd take a Federal or state law, I clearly don't have a clue; my point is, if you all look at the whole border wall thing, or disaster relief/aid, there's also the USPHS, which runs the Medical Reserve Corps (MRC) nationwide, which our dentist, who went NYG as a dental friend of his had wanted him to join him in the NY ARNG, had suggested for me. I just wasn't sure if the total perm disabled rules might let me actually do MRC, as I'd obviously possibly need to turn on my clinical license again, which, likewise, I have no clue if it'd also be allowed, as well. He eventually switched from NYG to NY ARNG, as he found he was suited to it, NYG let him go, when NY ARNG picked him up. I know, also, that USCG Aux has a clinical program for licensed clinicians to be able to help at USCG facilities, among other things they allow, like standing real radio watches, helping guard installations, also helping in galleys for cooking, I've seen sites on those aspects as well. My point is, the whole thing just strikes me as rather haphazard and disorganized, only insofar as one has to basically try to search out some mechanism suited to one's background, where one could be allowed to participate. I've just wondered, quite seriously, whether it might make sense to actually try to create an organized mechanism for mil/vet disabled to be able to contribute to the svcs, whether active, Guard, Reserve, whichever, on any serious combined Federal/state organized level, you know? As I'd said, the idea has just been rolling around in my noggin for some time now, it was just that my yakking with that other guy on that other thread kind of crystallized the whole thing for me, prompting me to write the whole question up here for all of you to also try to chew on, so far as possible. I mean, I wouldn't have clue one how to actually organize such a thing, plus, God knows, it'd obviously need manifest help from all of the major disabled-vet groups, of course, as well as other vet groups besides, in addition to Congressional as well as state legislative help. My sole thought is that the whole mil/vet disabled population could represent, if properly organized, potentially, on any serious organized level, as opposed to doing the whole thing piecemeal and haphazardly, a serious potential Federal/state resource that could really be a major possible force multiplier, in terms of being able to contribute experientially to local units, as well as on a serious state/national level, that's all I'm trying to get across. As I'd said, those are obviously solely my thoughts, of course; I'd just wondered if all of you might be able to give any thought to the notion, whether disabled or not. I know there's apparently some sort of mechanism for mil/vet retirees to be able to try to go back in, whether active, Guard, Reserve, whatever, however, the laws for them are different than for those mil/vets who are disabled. Whether one might be mil/vet retired combined with mil/vet disabled, or not, my point is, the whole mil/vet disabled thing clearly seems to preempt one's ability to try to contribute seriously in the fashion I describe, not due to any overt wish to interfere, rather, merely out of, as I'd said, bureaucratic caution as to liability, I've gathered. Maybe I'm reading the whole thing wrong; honestly, I'm not entirely sure, it's just that I've obviously been trying to do something serious to be of such use for years, many of you have doubtless see me write up stuff about me asking about such volunteer stuff; I just thought I'd actually send this in, to try, as I'd said, to crystallize my thoughts about the whole thing, in the hope that you all might see it, and be able to maybe give the whole notion some thought, as it were; that's pretty much everything I've thought of, I'd really be most eager to hear the notions of all of you about the whole thing, if you'd all ever have any time to be able to try to give me any of your ideas, honest, many thanks, sorry this was so long, I just needed to try to explain the whole thing adequately, so as to try to convey what was on my mind, that was all, OK? I'd appreciate any thoughts, plus, if sending this might possibly engender any serious effort or reflection about the whole thing, I just figured it'd be at least of some value, purely for that reason, as well, many thanks, obviously, looking forward to any ideas, no rush, whenever might be convenient, I know this is likely gonna have to be modified and/or shortened by admin, I obviously expect that, I just was uncertain how else to send it in, to try to explain my ideas properly, as I'd said, if it's gotta be shortened a good deal, I completely understand the reasons, by all means, many thanks, once again.
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Maybe also teaching, perhaps? I know Navy uses civilians to work on board ships as college faculty, I've seen stuff on that as well, maybe at active, Guard, and Reserve installations, ya think? Just another thought, of course....
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https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/suggest-federal-use-of-disabled-veterans-and-military-retirees-to-support-military
I just sent this thread in, I'd seen yours, I thought it might offer some ideas, possibly, I'd be eager for any notions, obviously, many thanks....
I just sent this thread in, I'd seen yours, I thought it might offer some ideas, possibly, I'd be eager for any notions, obviously, many thanks....
Suggest Federal use of disabled veterans and military retirees to support military? | RallyPoint
I was yakking with somebody on a thread on here a cpl of days ago, and had something I thought interesting get brought up, OK? One of the other guys I'd been yakking with is apparently mil retired, possibly also disabled, I'm not entirely sure...anyway, he, as have I, had wanted to try to contribute to the svcs somehow in a serious volunteer way, so, as I did, he'd looked at the state defense forces (SDFs), the ones that largely fall under...
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I really understand and empathize with your view. It was really tough to finish up and leave after 22 years and I tried to go back in after 9/11. Just couldn't make it happen. So my way to work with the troops is via the Service to the Armed Forces Division of the Red Cross. I work with vets, retirees, active duty and all the families. It's a close second.
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Great idea. It is logical and makes good sense so we know that the military would never implement a plan like that, lol
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I like the idea. I retired at the age of 49 and joined the Civil Air Patrol where there are no age restrictions. It was a great way to continue serving.
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For those who want to still be involved or participate and or pass down knowledge.
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