Posted on Jun 29, 2015
Do you think that the active duty pay structure is modeled after a form of socialism?
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I am not into socialism, but I was wondering people's opinion on whether the active duty pay system is modeled after a form of socialism? If so, could this be sustained countrywide?
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Responses: 7
SSgt Christopher Meeks
I fail to see how the military pay systems could be construed as socialism any more than pay in any other profession.
The pay system is based on rank and time in service, with exceptions for certain specialties/skills that get extra pay (medical, pilots, etc.). While some may question the fairness of the system, it is a similar set-up as that in the civilian world with workers, managers, executives, bonuses, etc.
I fail to see how the military pay systems could be construed as socialism any more than pay in any other profession.
The pay system is based on rank and time in service, with exceptions for certain specialties/skills that get extra pay (medical, pilots, etc.). While some may question the fairness of the system, it is a similar set-up as that in the civilian world with workers, managers, executives, bonuses, etc.
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SSgt Christopher Meeks
As far as this comment "any more than pay in any other profession" in the military all professions make the same. Whereas in any company the pay scale is different for every position
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
SSgt Christopher Meeks
It all depends on how you look at the classifications you describe... An E-5 with 5 years service makes the same pay whether he is an Infantryman, Military Policeman, Medic, Mechanic or Cook, etc. I look at it that he is an E-5, not what his specialty is. Therefore, there is no disparity because of job.
It all depends on how you look at the classifications you describe... An E-5 with 5 years service makes the same pay whether he is an Infantryman, Military Policeman, Medic, Mechanic or Cook, etc. I look at it that he is an E-5, not what his specialty is. Therefore, there is no disparity because of job.
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SSgt Christopher Meeks
I can see that, so how would that be different if in the civilian sector they do a total restructure based for example on age and all 16-20 year olds are C-1 and you are paid accordingly regardless of whether you are a cop or a janitor. Then when you hit 21 you become a C-2 and your pay goes up to a C-2 level, regardless of what you do and you make that amount till you turn 25 and then you got to C-3. Meanwhile your responsibilities and duties in your field increase, but you make the same as all C-3s. As a result of this, like in the military your healthcare is covered in this system and everyone pays the same into it regardless of use......in this comparison does it sound like socialism?
btw I don't think this would ever happen nor am I supporting it.
btw I don't think this would ever happen nor am I supporting it.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
SSgt Christopher Meeks - There are some companies that already use the system you describe. There are as many pay systems as there are companies.
To me, for the military to be considered as having a "socialist" pay system, everyone would be paid the same, regardless of the their jobs, ranks, age, location, etc. I just don't see it.
To me, for the military to be considered as having a "socialist" pay system, everyone would be paid the same, regardless of the their jobs, ranks, age, location, etc. I just don't see it.
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Imagine the chaos if individual commands to set pay rates!
Talk about a Free Market Military!
Talk about a Free Market Military!
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Capt Mark Strobl
I can hear the "water cooler" conversation: "Yeah, I love working here. I mean the pay is good. But, I wished we had toilet paper and rifles like all the other battalions."
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People can claim that anything in a pay system with a hierarchy is socialism, or anything with a hierarchy smacks of socialism--yet they will still always have someone in charge in a hierarchy of their own!
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