Do you think the American Legion and the VFW need to adapt to the time?

These organizations are led by older veterans and they are operating from a position comfortable for them. I would suggest to younger veterans to become poitically involved in your local chapter and once elected to an office in the Legion or VFW, begin to slowly initiate changes you want. If you look at the bios of the local, state and national leaders of both organizations, you will see many Korean, some WWII, and many Vietnam veterans. I am 65, served in Nam, but I know I may not hold an opinion like some younger veterans hold. The only way to change an organization is to become a leader in the organization.

TIME FOR CHANGE!  The rules. regulations, by-laws all need to be changed or omitted.  One of the big reasons we don't get new membership is because of the archaic rituals/rites/traditions.  The current military culture cannot adapt, nor does it need to, to all the "old order" stuff.  We need to modernize and get out of the WWl/WWll mentality.  We are NOT the Masons or Shriners!  By the way, I'm a Vietnam War Combat Infantryman who is also a VFW District Commander.

Hello Retired SGT Hiller:<div><br></div><div>I do understand your situation because I joined the American Legion 9 years ago and when I first joined I was surrounded by a group of older Veterans from Vietnam, Korean, and Desert Storm War periods who was just use to being content with social gathering at their favorite club and really not doing much for the community. &nbsp; They were very unorganized so once I started the post monthly newsletters to re engage the members an actively been the top recruiter for 6 years they became more open to change. &nbsp;Thus we are more involved with the community than ever before and have the capabilities to host monthly meeting via video conferencing as well as phone for those member like myself that still moves around every year thanks to the United States Army, so once they see your heart and level of dedication they will change because the life of the post depends on the bloodline of new members with fresh ideas and energy to help them take it to the next level for whatever the need of the community might be.&nbsp;</div>

I went online and signed up with the VFW last year.. Then realized the "post" meetings are held in a conference room of a retirement community... I never went to a meeting and will let my one year membership expire... 

I have been to the VFW, DAV, AL, IOOB, etc. Basically the feeling I get is... Your to young to be here. Or Yours was not a "Real" War from the older veterans there.
Hence for now I am sticking with The Marine Corp League.

I have not had many dealings with these organizations. How are they out of touch? What would you do to keep them relevant with the new generation of Veterans?

Hello "Brothers and Sisters in Arms",

I apologize now this will likely be a long post.

VSOs in general have a uphill battle against the current culture of our nation. VSOs were largely founded on an all but gone community culture that many veterans of previous conflict/wars shared. This is the reason most VSOs need to make changes to accommodate younger veterans, the old ways need to change with the culture.

Before I joined my local VFW almost 2 years ago, I did some research on the current status of VSOs and how they were fairing in the current national culture. What I found very quickly is that most if not all VSOs were shrinking in overall membership and many post were closing due to low membership and low activity.

I’ll give you a brief background about me to show you my prospective. I served 18 years US Army – Medical Discharged for lower back injury in the line of duty, 30% disability rating from VA, BA in Business Admin. – Marketing, MA in Business and Organizational Security Management.
I moved from Southern California to North Idaho in April of 2013. During that long drive I made a decision to be part of the community I live in rather than just live in the community. I decided months later to join the VFW in my community. So I looked up the nearest post and found via the website when there post meeting were. So I show up and as soon as I walk in the door, everyone in the room turns and looks at me. One of the members asked “Are you a member?” I replied “not yet”. I quickly got a reply “you cannot come in; this is a members only meeting”. I turned and left the room, a membered followed me out and gave me quick explanation why I was not allowed to attend and that he did not have time to see to making me a member right now. There were only about 10 members in the room and only one of them was below the age of 50. I came back on another day and paid my dues and became a “card carrying member”. From there I attend most of the VFW functions and quickly became a “pain in the arse” to many of the older members, with my new ideas and spitfire attitude.
Looking back I understand that many posts will come off with the good ol’ boy attitude, but sticking with it will often times overcome that built in culture. I also found that when I gave an idea that I needed to back it up with action and reap the respect from its success. Over the last 19 months, I have been given enough rope to hang myself and instead used that rope to make a bridge between the post and our community. Here are some of the new things our post has done in the last 18 months and the out comes from those events:
Hosted a Game convention in alliance with our local Game store
60 people attended and the event made the front page of the paper.

The post made over $18,000 dollars in donations and donated over $18,000 to veterans in our community. There were no 30% costs or administration fees put on this money. Every dime we were donated went back to the veterans in our community.
We supported Women Warrior Retreat and recruited several female veterans.
We planned and will hold our first Veteran Family Retreat this weekend, in hopes of making it an annual event.
From these events and activities I have learned that activity breeds activity. The older the average age of a post is the more difficult it will be to stay activity in the community. So recruiting members is and will always be the life blood of VSOs. If you are not getting new “younger” members, your post is effectively dying a slow death. As you all know many posts have a bar that at one point in time with the “best watering hole in town”. That watering hole is now all dried up! The younger veterans that would be considered the market for VSOs are in the stage of their life that they have kids and jobs, alcohol though legal is not the preferred method of building loyalty with a veteran family. In my opinion the posts that perpetuation the stereo typical of veterans wasting their days away drinking and smoking at the “Watering hole” is doing more damage to VSOs than anything else. VSOs must be active in their community or they will waste away.
Some of the ways a post can be active in its community are: providing a Veteran Family Retreat, putting on a month Family movie night, have a weekly coffee and donut (free) where all veterans are welcome. This is just a few ways to move in the right direction, I’m sure there are many more. I would enjoy hearing about them.
Since joining the VFW, I have been placed/voted into several positions: Post Jr Vice, Post Sr Vice, District QM and District Chief Recruiter, I also attended the state conventions, I decided to focus on my community rather than focus on trying to move up the chairs in district. As many of you know VSOs are a bureaucracy and that means “Red Tape” and paper work. After holding the positions, I understand the need for the paper work. My goal is to change my community’s view of the VFW and provide for the veterans in my community. VSOs are a community based organization and that being said they add value to their community or they will go away.

Thank you for taking the time to read this lengthy post and if you are in need of direction when it comes to a VSO please feel free to contact me.

As Commander of DAV Chapter 7 in Jackson, TN, I'm always trying to encourage members to get involved with the activities of the Chapter. A Veterans Service Organization is only as strong as it's actively involved members.

My local community does not have a VFW, however we do have an American Legion of which I am currently a member. I do feel that they are a bit 'out of touch' with today's soldiers, but that's because they do not have ACTIVE young solders directly involved with the organization! Here are a few things that I have brought to the attention of our leaders, which we are now working on;

1. Strongly encourage and recruit the soldiers of the now.
2. Get involved with social media
3. Elect a few young soldiers to various positions
4. Reach out to younger soldiers and get involved with their life

I strongly feel that both are great organizations, with great intentions, but if they cannot reach the younger generations, sadly these organizations will slowly disappear!

I read many of the responses to this post and I "hear" a lot of folks saying that we need to help the older members and bring a fresh perspective to the posts. Having served for many years on the board of directors at our local American Legion post, I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that "change" in any respect is not up for discussion. Myself and a few of the "younger" members (meaning "not 80+") made many changes to brighten the place up. We eliminated smoking indoors, refurbished the entire building (at a cost of roughly $1M), added satellite TV with several big screens (primarily for sports), tried different options for food service, etc. and the membership did not increase and, in fact, the "old timers" weren't really too happy with the changes. Now, I have the utmost respect for our "Greatest Generation" but I can see the writing on the wall; unless the posts attract new, younger members, the doors WILL close...and soon!