Posted on Oct 23, 2014
Do you think the Military basic training will ever stop getting softer?
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I cant say that i had a rough basic training experience, i went in 2004, back when BDU's were still around, back when they were still able to smoke you, we didnt get cell phones, or TV, or Internet, hell we werent even allowed milk, just Water...Water.....and more Water. But now days i see new recruits posting pictures of themselves DURING basic training, when are we going to see any of that stop? let basic training go back to what its meant to do, to turn civilians into soldiers, ( im excluding the marines on this one because we all know they stay true), we need soldiers, not boyscouts!
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Hell when I went through Basic Training they had soda machines in the chow hall.I ran everywhere, even in the chow line.We were called every name in the book.Pushed to our limits and then some.But we did get milk,sodas and coffee.
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I've heard that bullying and harassing language is taboo. The military is different. It has different laws. If the military has to be careful not to hurt somebody's feelings, ok, fine. No more yelling or cursing. So here's the plan ...
The individuals will be addressed as recruits. During the first week, the recruit will wear civvies. PT gear will be their own. Instead of an oath of enlistment, the recruit will sign a consent form volunteering to undergo military preparation training without pay. This training will take place at suitable locations across the US. Similar to SEAL BUD/S training, this is period to find out if they are committed to the service. He/she will be taught how to make a bed and be squared away in the barracks. Then it is continuous PT and close order drill - in civvies. All this time, the DI/TI is constantly reminding and encouraging the recruits that they can quit at anytime. If the recruit can not/will not comply with directions, he/she will be washed out immediately by the DI/TI. This is not a subject of discussion or negotiation. He/she will be escorted to the orderly room or unit admin, out processed immediately and put on the next available flight to their home of record. The recruit will be housed in and confined to a transient billet, which could be several days, until flight time. At the end of this preparation training, the recruit will take the oath of enlistment, be issued uniforms and then continue basic training. The military spends huge sums to take these kids right off the street, swear 'em in and then hope for the best.
This is just a broad outline.
The individuals will be addressed as recruits. During the first week, the recruit will wear civvies. PT gear will be their own. Instead of an oath of enlistment, the recruit will sign a consent form volunteering to undergo military preparation training without pay. This training will take place at suitable locations across the US. Similar to SEAL BUD/S training, this is period to find out if they are committed to the service. He/she will be taught how to make a bed and be squared away in the barracks. Then it is continuous PT and close order drill - in civvies. All this time, the DI/TI is constantly reminding and encouraging the recruits that they can quit at anytime. If the recruit can not/will not comply with directions, he/she will be washed out immediately by the DI/TI. This is not a subject of discussion or negotiation. He/she will be escorted to the orderly room or unit admin, out processed immediately and put on the next available flight to their home of record. The recruit will be housed in and confined to a transient billet, which could be several days, until flight time. At the end of this preparation training, the recruit will take the oath of enlistment, be issued uniforms and then continue basic training. The military spends huge sums to take these kids right off the street, swear 'em in and then hope for the best.
This is just a broad outline.
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I think it will get softer but the good news is Islamic Radicals have promised to use sharper knives
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Rough tough Training is what these Soldiers need. just like it was in the 70-80's
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BMT, should be tough, no cell phones, no TV, No cokes and no smoking. MTI's in the cold war were mean and let you know right away when you screwed up or failed to meet expectations. Getting cussed out once a day or asked if you were of alternate persuasion was a norm. When they did away with boot polishing and gave them an Airmen Bill of rights card I knew the USAF was in trouble. We did not have rights as they all claim know days. You signed up as GI and the USAF gave you what you needed not what you wanted. You could have one desert in BMT but if you went by the SNAKE PIT with it was KP or for clipper duty and the worst part 10 minutes for a whole flight to eat it started from when the first man set down if everyone in your flight in the chow line took their lazy time you sometimes had one maybe two minutes to eat. Twice alone I had set down at the table of four and had eaten two bites when an E-6 or E-7 MTI came up and said you had enough to eat clear this area my flight is ready to eat, this was always with much cussing. If you tried argue they pulled a 341 and then you were in big trouble. The whole DOD needs to return to the cold war era BMT and Boot Camp and troops in war fighters and not privileged nation builders. Civilians have no right to tell the military how to train the troops!
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I will only speak to one of your assertions, cellphones. It makes no sense to limit a company of Trainees to using a limited number of pay phones for two minutes with a calling card that takes up 1.5 of those minutes while state of the art smart phones sit locked up in a closet. Let’s not forget the hours spent waiting in line to use said pay phone. Furthermore I’d rather face time my family than make a call. Some Soldiers don’t like their family and just want to watch YouTube for 20 minutes. If I was able to do those things on occasion in Afghanistan, why not BCT? If you don’t want smart phones in BCT, then don’t do the traditional Sunday phone call either. Anything else is just dumb and reflects an inability to accept the world for what it is instead of what you want it to be. May as well go back to telegrams, or maybe stone tablets. Of all the things to complain about, you chose phones...
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I went through in 2017 and as the son of a SGM that was a ranger I was really expecting basic to be alot harder and the army to not be so soft. Dissappointed in the fact that kids getting offended over the simplists things actually matter. I wish I couldve joined sooner. But I wouldnt have chosen to be an mp
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Pardon me SPC Bergseid, what part of a recruit posting a picture makes it not seem like they are successful in their training?
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