Posted on Apr 12, 2016
Do you think the military culture has become softer, stricter, or more focused on paper punishment that ruin careers? When did this happen?
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SSgt Joshua Coonich - I only out-processed one Marine in my time (he popped positive for THC). Every other non-compliant, un-shaven, raggedity-***ed Marine was turned over to my Ops Chief or the Company Gunny for an unparalleled "rebirth" into the Corps. Those knuckleheads were OUR leadership challenge. General philosophy at the time was, "If you were going to see 'the man,' it was too late" --and a reflection on your capacity as a leader. Drill Instructors graduated basic Marines; it was our job to continue their growth & development. Too easy to start a paper trail in order to build a case against a guy --and it's indicative of lazy leadership unwilling to work with what the have (on all levels).
MGySgt James Forward
Paper option is IMO "The Last Resort". Highly preferred to keep it at my level without any Officers or First Sgt involvement. I gave my Marines a choice; Art 15, bad mark, no reenlistment, possible reduction in rank or allow me to intervene and make your life temporarily worse due to the task(s) I have in mind for them. Not digging fox holes, push ups or other physical type deals. Building 50 cube embark boxes for a battalions worth of CBRN Gear, inventorying gear, deployment to support other units training or better yet to the field for 2-3 weeks in 29 Palms in July/Aug. If I have to write you up, I have failed as a leader. Popping positive on a pee test is out of my hands, so is hitting the MP Blotter. May God have Mercy on your soul because the First Sgt damn syre won't.
Capt Mark Strobl
MGySgt James Forward - Sorry, the RP site will only allow me to give you one "up" vote. Building embark boxes = You got caught.
It used to be when you screwed up your chief took you in a fan room for a bulkhead to bulkhead talk and now it is all about the paperwork. Seems to have happened in the mid 90s.
Capt Mark Strobl
PO2 Joseph Hodges - That was the end of the "good ol' days." Nothing a GySgt for CPO couldn't fix. Then, all the anti-hazing legislation dropped (Thanks, Tailhook!). For us, it just pushed a lot of behavior modification techniques to the tool & gear lockers.
SPC Richard Stevenson (Munden)
Yep. Same for the Army: paperwork was the chosen method of addressing any problem in the mid-to-late 90's.
Softer. We are in the business of killing and winning wars, it is a shame we cant even make them do push ups.
CPT Joseph K Murdock
I think we all miss the push ups. My soldiers and NCOs would do push ups and there were no complaints.
CPL (Join to see)
Well softer. And much more cut throat. Every word I say I have to watch. Someone could be "offended" the game is harder now because they won't smoke a soldier they will end his career. Which is terrifying for me.
SFC Michael Hasbun
We probably got to this point because we kept giving them pushups while we were supposed to actually be training them...
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