Posted on Mar 9, 2021
Does a 6-month temp profile automatically lead to a permanent one? Will the Army initiate a med board or can I VTIP into a new MOS?
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I am a 12A currently undergoing extensive recovery (creeping up to 6 months on temp. profile) for my radial nerve damage to my left arm (I practically cannot use my left hand without a brace and my wrist cannot sustain ANY weight). With this extensive radial nerve damage, my doctors & PCM cannot take any further action and is just waiting on my nerve responses. My nerve responses has not improved in the past 3 months and shows no sign of progress.
My PCM has alerted me that after 6 months on temporary profile, they must write up a permanent one, is this true?
Additionally, following the permanent profile, what are my options in terms of military career?
I heard after 6 mo. on permanent profile, they initiate med board?
I also heard that I may be able to VTIP into not as combat-heavy MOS?
My PCM has alerted me that after 6 months on temporary profile, they must write up a permanent one, is this true?
Additionally, following the permanent profile, what are my options in terms of military career?
I heard after 6 mo. on permanent profile, they initiate med board?
I also heard that I may be able to VTIP into not as combat-heavy MOS?
Medical NCOIC
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DA PAM 40-502
e. Permanent profiles. Soldiers whose condition(s) have reached MRDP will receive a permanent profile. All permanent profiles require two profiling provider signatures; paragraph 4–6 authorizes specific roles to be the second signature.
If the profile has deployment impacts either with a 3 or 4 in the PULHES or a deployment-limiting physical-category code, the second signature must be an approval authority. Some diagnoses do not meet retention standards by definition and will be referred to DES upon diagnosis, in accordance with AR 40–501.
(1) The profiling provider must evaluate whether or not the Soldier meets the medical retention standards in accordance with AR 40–501. A comprehensive review the Soldiers medical records, to include consultation notes and other pertinent medical documentation is essential to ensure that the Soldier’s medical condition and treatment meet MRDP requirements. The numerical designator will describe the severity of the functional limitation and will guide further processing. Permanent profiles are reviewed annually with each PHA and will be updated to reflect any clinical change. There is no requirement to rewrite the profiles every 5 years.
I've had a permanent profile (P2) for my knees since 2016. I did the walk on the APFT. I am doing the rower on the ACFT.
If you get a P2, you don't have to get referred to a med board. If you get a P3 or P4, you'll be referred to a med board.
It all depends on if you do or don't meet the medical retention standards in AR 40-501 what you get (P2, P3 or P4).
DA PAM 40-502
e. Permanent profiles. Soldiers whose condition(s) have reached MRDP will receive a permanent profile. All permanent profiles require two profiling provider signatures; paragraph 4–6 authorizes specific roles to be the second signature.
If the profile has deployment impacts either with a 3 or 4 in the PULHES or a deployment-limiting physical-category code, the second signature must be an approval authority. Some diagnoses do not meet retention standards by definition and will be referred to DES upon diagnosis, in accordance with AR 40–501.
(1) The profiling provider must evaluate whether or not the Soldier meets the medical retention standards in accordance with AR 40–501. A comprehensive review the Soldiers medical records, to include consultation notes and other pertinent medical documentation is essential to ensure that the Soldier’s medical condition and treatment meet MRDP requirements. The numerical designator will describe the severity of the functional limitation and will guide further processing. Permanent profiles are reviewed annually with each PHA and will be updated to reflect any clinical change. There is no requirement to rewrite the profiles every 5 years.
I've had a permanent profile (P2) for my knees since 2016. I did the walk on the APFT. I am doing the rower on the ACFT.
If you get a P2, you don't have to get referred to a med board. If you get a P3 or P4, you'll be referred to a med board.
It all depends on if you do or don't meet the medical retention standards in AR 40-501 what you get (P2, P3 or P4).
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MAJ Ken Landgren I think there is a SRU on post sir but we’ll see if they recommend me towards it. I think my PCM maybe waiting on HRC or the command to take initiative. Either way it is nice knowing that there are some options.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
MAJ Ken Landgren - What do you mean how do I know this stuff? I looked it up in the regulation and PAM - that's copy and paste. Also - personally I've had a P2 since 2016. P2 doesn't require a medboard. P3 and P4 do - and why I posted the regulation that says as much.
It all depends on with his injury(ies) allow him to meet medical retention standards or not.
It all depends on with his injury(ies) allow him to meet medical retention standards or not.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
1LT (Join to see) - If you are going to MEB shape the conditions so you can go to the SRU. It will give you a respite and time to heal and prepare for a transition out. It will also provide the connective tissue for the PEBLO, VA Rep, Treatment Plan, VA physical.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - Well some soldiers have more talent than others to find requisite information. Many times the hardest battle is knowing who to talk to or where to look for information. :)
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A permanent profile if a P2 does not initiate a med board but you sound like a three or four. In complete honesty, you should start considering what your education and experience will get you in terms of a job as a civilian. The word is still out on the ACFT but pretty much every PT test has minimum events you have to do, like cardio of some kind was required for the APFT. Can you carry a rifle or charge a pistol? Dismal I know but remember a few things, nerves do some interesting things and you look pretty young in the photo. There is no rule that you have to do 20 years early in life, generally you need to get 20 by age 62. Do you have an engineering degree?
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Roger sir. I’m 25 and yes I have an engineering degree. Unfortunately, I cannot carry a rifle without my splint (brace). Doctors are doing everything they can but the more time goes by, the possibility of nerves returning looks dimmer. I’m looking into transition programs as well just in case.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
Neurology is an ever changing field and things might change by the time you are 35. Keep your head up and you will do fine with whatever pathway way you are forced to go down because of this.
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