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As a member of the so-called "New" Navy, this question has been asked and talked about around my command for the last few months. I'd like to hear some different perspectives about it
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Boys, If there were men to fill the boots these ladies are askin to fill there would be no discussion goin on. Yes there will be weak ones who fail - send them home. But there will be those few that can and will tow the line to prove they can hack it. Rather than walk around like a bunch of apes with your gun in hand; step up and train the ones that prove themselves no different than than the green kids you've been getting. One GOd, One Country, One corps - One set of rules when the shooting starts all you boots male or female will piss or shit yourself. Life happens change happens male it work don't pity them train them or send them home when they fail. Combat has no Gender - Now we can finally be one Corps.
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PO2 Nick Burke
The real issue is when the DoD lowers or sets up different standards. Then it becomes subjective.
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Cpl Gerard Babin
Real women will not accept lower standards. The weak (just as in all training ) will weed themselves out. They will thrive or die in combat - though it sounds harsh it is fact. There is no room in any platoon or squad for ego. Train them to fight the same as you would train your sister back home to kill without hesitation. Sight alignment sight picture Marines. We do not fail our selves by failing each other. Like every other country it is time to let women become the best they can be. We all face the trial by fire each in our own way- your failure to prepare your sister is your failure not hers if she has willingly accepted do die with you rather than read about your dying...
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Personally i don't mind the thought of a gender neutrality. My only hope is that the standards for both sides are equal. I don't care if you're a man or woman, gay or straight, purple or green, as long as you can do the job you've been given without any special circumstances or favors.
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So long as the troops are physically fit and able to accomplish their assigned mission, who cares!!!
Gender neutral, gender specific. I really do not care.
Gender neutral, gender specific. I really do not care.
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It doesn't bother me -- what bothers me is the hypocrisy of this "gender-neutral" military. If it truly were gender-neutral, women and men would have the same grooming standards from lipstick to fingernail polish to hair length.
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I am going to take a different vector on this topic... If anyone is still Active duty, and has some pull at their Command level, Pentagon, JCS, etc., This is what really NEEDS to be said:
At what time in modern military history, has gender neutrality TRULY mattered when it comes to Mission effectiveness, unit cohesion, leadership and discipline in the ranks, or esprit de corps?
This politically-correct nonsense is tinkering with the very heart and soul of the Armed Forces. The last time I swore my oath to "support and DEFEND the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC," I drew a line in the sand.
With graying hair and some wisdom learned in my advancing years, I realize that asymmetric warfare comes in subtle nuances, cyber assaults, etc.
These subtle and not-so subtle skirmishes that seek to unravel the fabric of our nation's warriors through dissension, factionalizing, marginalizing, polarizing, adverse rationalizing and the narcissistic attitude behind all this nonsense is just as treacherous in my book, as the Tokyo Rose broadcasts of Japanese propaganda were aimed at undermining/subverting the morale of our troops in WWII.
Psyops is nothing new, but it is most insidious when it is a tactic applied within the ranks or from above them. As a Oath-keeping veteran, my responsibilities did not cease when my enlistment ended. I am responsible for what I know, and to do something about it!
When I enlisted 37.7 years ago, neither the JCS, NCA nor the Secretary of the Air Air Force came to my barracks to ask me how they should run MY Air Force. Why? Because it is ***NOT*** "MY Air Force!" I became part of a Mission-oriented TEAM in which my part was intended to seamlessly connect and integrate into the tapestry of that team.
One of the 3 pillars of the US Air Force is: "Service before self." That deals a death-blow to this narcissistic, self-importance-at-the-expense-of-all-else-because-I'm-entitled rationale. Whatever and whoever is behind propagating all of this nonsense is an ideological enemy of our military institutions.
Of course, to counter such a threat, we must take scaled and appropriate measures to stop this insidious attack against the very fabric of our Armed Forces' ability to stand united. Our voice, a pen or a keyboard can be sufficient enough to accomplish victory in such a battle.
So, from the least of the enlisted ranks, to the highest ranking officers, I am sounding a call to stand up and call this nonsense into account, and to neutralize this threat into non-existence. The core of our calling is to be uncompromisingly focused where we all started: With the Oath and our Constitution. This is where the buck stops for us as well.
You are free to re-post, share, and publicize what I have said on one condition: WHEN, not IF these protagonists come to attack me, I expect you who are also Oath-keepers to stand with me to watch/keep my back.
The subtlety of this matter may seem innocuous for now and even humorous, but given time, you will see the truth of their intentions. Let's be a proactive deterrent of this issue NOW, rather than find ourselves on the defensive down the road. The current battle for gender-neutral bathrooms should be enough of a forewarning!
Let's rumble and roll!
MD "Doc" Severson :-)
At what time in modern military history, has gender neutrality TRULY mattered when it comes to Mission effectiveness, unit cohesion, leadership and discipline in the ranks, or esprit de corps?
This politically-correct nonsense is tinkering with the very heart and soul of the Armed Forces. The last time I swore my oath to "support and DEFEND the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC," I drew a line in the sand.
With graying hair and some wisdom learned in my advancing years, I realize that asymmetric warfare comes in subtle nuances, cyber assaults, etc.
These subtle and not-so subtle skirmishes that seek to unravel the fabric of our nation's warriors through dissension, factionalizing, marginalizing, polarizing, adverse rationalizing and the narcissistic attitude behind all this nonsense is just as treacherous in my book, as the Tokyo Rose broadcasts of Japanese propaganda were aimed at undermining/subverting the morale of our troops in WWII.
Psyops is nothing new, but it is most insidious when it is a tactic applied within the ranks or from above them. As a Oath-keeping veteran, my responsibilities did not cease when my enlistment ended. I am responsible for what I know, and to do something about it!
When I enlisted 37.7 years ago, neither the JCS, NCA nor the Secretary of the Air Air Force came to my barracks to ask me how they should run MY Air Force. Why? Because it is ***NOT*** "MY Air Force!" I became part of a Mission-oriented TEAM in which my part was intended to seamlessly connect and integrate into the tapestry of that team.
One of the 3 pillars of the US Air Force is: "Service before self." That deals a death-blow to this narcissistic, self-importance-at-the-expense-of-all-else-because-I'm-entitled rationale. Whatever and whoever is behind propagating all of this nonsense is an ideological enemy of our military institutions.
Of course, to counter such a threat, we must take scaled and appropriate measures to stop this insidious attack against the very fabric of our Armed Forces' ability to stand united. Our voice, a pen or a keyboard can be sufficient enough to accomplish victory in such a battle.
So, from the least of the enlisted ranks, to the highest ranking officers, I am sounding a call to stand up and call this nonsense into account, and to neutralize this threat into non-existence. The core of our calling is to be uncompromisingly focused where we all started: With the Oath and our Constitution. This is where the buck stops for us as well.
You are free to re-post, share, and publicize what I have said on one condition: WHEN, not IF these protagonists come to attack me, I expect you who are also Oath-keepers to stand with me to watch/keep my back.
The subtlety of this matter may seem innocuous for now and even humorous, but given time, you will see the truth of their intentions. Let's be a proactive deterrent of this issue NOW, rather than find ourselves on the defensive down the road. The current battle for gender-neutral bathrooms should be enough of a forewarning!
Let's rumble and roll!
MD "Doc" Severson :-)
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