Posted on Jul 19, 2016
SFC Richard Giles
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SFC Vernon McNabb
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The ribbons themselves do not define the Soldier. What that Soldier did to earn those ribbons says much about him/her. I know some CoCs hand out ribbons and medals like "candy", but I know I earned everyone of mine. I am sure a lot of Soldiers could say the same. If a Soldier works only to get recognized, then I could see where your question is valid, and I have seen that. Some Soldiers volunteer just to get the ribbon. I volunteered because I liked it. The ribbon was an afterthought.
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SFC Richard Giles
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Spot on with your comments SFC McNabb. I did the same thing because I liked it.
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Same boat I volunteered because coaching H.S. Football was always a passion of mine. Did not even think about awards while I was doing, just focusing on my defense! G2G. Awards do not define the person the actions do. Good point and should be reciprocated throughout the ranks!
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I've had many discussions on this the past few months. It seems the trend is those soldiers with a chest full of awards tend to view them as no big deal, shouldn't be the goal, and don't mean what they used to mean. Those younger and/or newer soldiers with few awards tend to feel more of a sense of accomplishment, validation, and motivation to get awards. I can't say motivation to get a ribbon is bad motivation if it leads them to do the tasks associated with said reward, however, of course they should quickly grow out of reward being the sole motivation. I strongly believe that if punishment or discipline for poor behavior needs to be carried out on paper, then by equal measure reward for excellent actions should merit the same. Tangible reward can make good soldiers better, and turn fair soldiers into great ones if given fairly and complemented with a good dose of expectations, responsibility, and encouragement. I certainly don't think medals and ribbons should be the sole goal for the seeker, nor the end-all for the giver. It is merely a good affirmation in a much larger process of cultivating soldiers and leaders. Just some of my thoughts on the matter.
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LTC Chief Of Public Affairs And Protocol
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The awards don't define a career but are typically a reflection.
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Capt Tom Brown
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That's the word I was searching for.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Hopefully not SFC Richard Giles.
Different commands and units and commanders have different philosophies putting service members in for an award, ribbon or medal. Some have liberal policies while others have more measured policies for awards.
Badges are another matter since those are all earned - airborne, ranger, EIB, CIB, etc.
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SFC Richard Giles
SFC Richard Giles
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I've been seeing quite a bit of interest in the CIB and CAB, again why wouldn't you know if you rated one of those badges?
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SFC Richard Giles
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Since you bought it up LTC Ford do you mind me asking what your style was?
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LTC Stephen F.
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SFC Richard Giles - I tried to be consistent across commands from Platoon leader on up. I recommended some soldiers for impact awards and most who performed well for end-of-tour awards. I had to go to bat for some for my troops in cases where somebody higher up wanted to downgrade the award. Sometimes I was successful and other times I wasn't.
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SFC Richard Giles
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Nothing wrong with that standard sir. Thx for the response.
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Does a getting a award, ribbon or medal define ones career. Does having a chest full of ribbons make you a better soldier ?
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It shouldn't. Your awards of any type should be just a reflection of what you've done in that career. Personally I define my own career by my morals, integrity and my overall character and holding myself to a higher standard.
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SFC Richard Giles
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Very well put Cpl. I did the same as well. Your last sentence means more to me then anything else.
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MSG Pat Colby
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El Oh El!

I was an Instructor for the Air Assault School. I mixed and matched all of my uniforms with Pathfinder, Air Assault wings, Master Parachutist configurations. All are Class 4 awards and the precedence is up to the wearer. We did an MTT to Ft Bragg to run a class for the 82D. I made a point of wearing my blouses that had Air Assault ABOVE Master Parachutist. You wouldn't believe the shit people tried to give me. Good times when you get to grind the gears of OCD people. I always pointed out that you could be a jump refusal and get booted down to Leg-land and keep your Jump Wings but if you refuse to conduct an Air Assault operation, you could LOSE the Air Assault wings. That usually shut them up when they looked in the Regs and found I was correct.
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MSG Pat Colby
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A little more research...

Nice! AR 600–8–22 • 11 December 2006. Para 1-31 was a much needed change! Revoke the shit of pretty much every Badge for people that turn out to be slugs.
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SFC Richard Giles
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MSG Pat Colby - Imagine that, they can't keep everything in 1 reg. Keeping people employed I reckon.
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MSG Dan Castaneda
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When you say "refuse to do an Air Assault Operation," you do mean a sling load operations right? Wow, didn't know anyone was scared to do those.
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1SG Cameron M. Wesson
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SFC Richard Giles it depends. I know that sounds wishy washy but let me expand.

Awards show that a person has done something valorous or meritorious... consecutive awards and commendations show a pattern of performance. This is a good thing.... but only if combined with the "total" person package.

Does the soldier practice and display the LDRSHIP attributes? Do they take care of subordinate, peer, and senior alike? Do they have grit and compassion?

These create a series of building blocks that can and do result in good soldiers.

My 2 cents

Cam
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SFC Richard Giles
SFC Richard Giles
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1SG Cameron M. Wesson - Agreed. I'm not saying some individuals don't deserve awards they are getting. It just seems they don't mean as much as they used to.
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1SG Cameron M. Wesson
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SFC Richard Giles interesting that you should bring that up. Today driving across montana on leave I was called by a LTC i have been mentoring for a half dozen years... and the subject was awards and evaluations.

Because some awards are now... my opinion... undervalued... they don't mean as much. Coupled with everone wants to be a top block. Lets be honest... everyone can not be... nor should be... a top block.

Seeing this challenge... how does one seperate themselves from the "heard"?

My answer is simply raters and senior raters need to articulate what the ratee has contributed to the units mission. This leafs to a further issue with raters and senior raters learn how to write... but in my mind... that is self development.

Gteat discusssion and makes me want to write an article in the subject. ;o)
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SFC Richard Giles
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1SG Cameron M. Wesson - Raters and senior raters need to articulate better I do agree with you on that 1SG. When I first started writing NCOER's quite awhile back I will admit it was hard for me but learned over the years. I still wasn't the best or where I wanted to be but I was proficient.
I agree with you as well about being top block. I had a goal after my 1st deployment to make it to E8 (MSG) before I retired but as time went on and PC became an everyday watch word and hurt feelings started to come into play, well I knew it was time to leave.
Thanks for the discussion on all of this 1SG I hope we can continue on this and many more subjects.
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1SG Cameron M. Wesson
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Absolutely! Love productive conversations.

I had hoped tp make it to1SG... but after getting injured and reclassed... was happy to make SFC. Then out of the blue I got pivked up in the SZ for MSG.... then become a 1SG... then selected for USASMA.... but by then I had decided my body wouldnt continue to take the punishment... so i popped smoke.

Im sure a good deserving SFC appreciates that... as well as a up.and coming MSG.

Take care
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SSG Battalion Operations Sergeant
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NO, no it does not. there are units that just wont give award, where as others hand them out like candy.
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SFC Richard Giles
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agreed
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SFC Opsnco
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I won't stop until my jacket looks like the one in the picture. No, just kidding. With the exception of awards for VALOR I think of ribbons as a "pat on the back" reward for a job well done. In my current duty I wear all my ribbons on my ASU jacket but when I am in Class "B" I only wear three: DMSM, MSM, DSMHA. Those are three I am most proud of. I feel I made the greatest impact for the "greater good" and I worked my butt off to earn those.

But, to answer your questions... I don't think they define my career. I think the impact of my actions I left on my Soldiers, section, unit and the Army as a whole define someone's career.
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SFC Richard Giles
SFC Richard Giles
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Your last sentence says it all SFC Settle.
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SFC Opsnco
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SFC Richard Giles - Thank you. I have been blessed with outstanding leadership examples the majority of my career. Even the poorer examples served as examples of what not to do. I know positive leadership is a cycle that must be passed on.
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SFC Richard Giles
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SFC (Join to see) - That is so true. I can't tell you how many Soldiers I've talked to in the past when they've gripped about poor leadership that I've said keep that example close so you know what right doesn't look like.
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Not to be that guy, but the cat pictured needs to move 3rd row 1st and 2nd column down to 3mm. As stated in the supreme leader's handbook, no row shall exceed 4mm. I am very disappointed in the generals obedience to the supreme leader. Tis Tis.
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CW2 Louis Melendez
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I would say...depends

The award system is so messed up these days (probably has been all the time) that sometimes makes you wonder if a person with a huge stack really earned them because of their performance.

Is supposed to be a reflection but you really have to examine their DA Form 638's (Recommendation for Award) to have a real grasp on wether that person is really a good soldier or just a spotlight ranger.

We all know that if the rank is there and if the person writing it knows how to sell it...the sky is the limit!
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SFC Richard Giles
SFC Richard Giles
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Very good point SSG Melendez
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SGT Jacob Thompson
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I would say no it does not I got out as an E5 infantry team leader with 5 arcoms 5aams 2 good conduct medals and down the list to the army service ribbon I had lots of metals but if I was ww2 era I wouldn't have half that wouldn't make me a worse soldier for having fewer ribbons also wouldn't make me a better soldier for haveing more....
I do however feel that we get to many awards now days. We all look nice and we all look like hero's but it takes away from those who are legitimate bad asses.
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SFC Richard Giles
SFC Richard Giles
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Very well said Sgt Thompson and that last sentence is awesome. Thank you for your service as well.
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