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Say a soon to be Air Force Officer and current enlisted Marine have a pre-existing relationship, but one is enlisted and the other will be an officer soon. Does fraternization cross between branches? I saw this on Facebook, and didn't know the answer.
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Do yourself a favor, ask a JAG Officer. They know the UCMJ and listen to no "Sea Lawyers". They know nothing and can ruin your career/life. A BCD is less than Honorable.
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Not everyone on here is a sea lawyer. I gave him the exact two tools he needed to answer his question. I deal with ucmj more than lawyers sometimes. I cannot give advice but I can tell anyone what a regulation says. Especially when it comes to this exact topic that I have dealt with God only knows how many times.
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I have no problem with those who do actually know the UCMJ. However, my point was to find somebody as yourself, a JAG Officer or other credible source and not listen to "Sea Lawyers" which are abundant in junior Troops. As you came through the ranks, how many times did you hear regulations stated which may have been half truths at best? Comment well received and appreciated.
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From my understanding fraternization does "cross" branches. I believe that since the relationship is pre-existing it is not considered fraternization.
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As a pre existing relationship where neither party has direct influence on the others career I believe they would have a period of time to either get married or end anything beyond friendship.
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as long as you are never going to be under the same command nobody will give a crap.
(source:Was a SGT in the marines dating a Lt in the navy, now out and married to that wonderful woman who is now a major in the Air Gaurd.)
(source:Was a SGT in the marines dating a Lt in the navy, now out and married to that wonderful woman who is now a major in the Air Gaurd.)
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I don't see how one could influence the others career since they are in separate branches.
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My understanding is that fraternization only applies if she has the potential to be in command of you, or you have the potential to influence her decisions in favor of you or your soldiers. Since she is in another branch of the military, and cannot influence these, it becomes a gray area. My own personal opinion is that this would not be considered fraternization.
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I think the whole idea of fraternization is bs anyhow. My brother married his wife when they were both enlisted. He was an E5 and she was an E4. Now she is a SMSGT and he is a Col. Were they supposed to get divorced when he got his commission?
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The way I see it they are of two different branches of the military, both are currently classified as enlisted, until the other does get commissioned. Then they can figure out if marriage is in the picture or the other one goes on to OCS also so they would be on level ground.
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