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Say a soon to be Air Force Officer and current enlisted Marine have a pre-existing relationship, but one is enlisted and the other will be an officer soon. Does fraternization cross between branches? I saw this on Facebook, and didn't know the answer.
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I was in this position years ago. I started dating a girl in the Air Force as a PFC and eventually contracted into ROTC. When it came time to commission I was advised we would have one year to either marry or end the relationship. After that it would be a violation of fraternization policies and regulations.
While I can't cite the reg at the moment, I doubt it's changed dramatically since 2009.
While I can't cite the reg at the moment, I doubt it's changed dramatically since 2009.
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It hasn't changed, it's the same. Pre-existing relationships, all branches, have one year to marry or end the relationship. I believe the Army's policy falls under the Command Policy AR 600-20.
The Frat rule kicked in for the Army back in March 1999, I know, because I was at Warrant Officer Candidate School at the time, and there were issues, especially with us, moving to the officer ranks. The Army adopted the AF policy, so the AF and the Army are the same. From what I remember, the AF had the strictest policy.
They have to get married or end the relationship is the final answer.
The Frat rule kicked in for the Army back in March 1999, I know, because I was at Warrant Officer Candidate School at the time, and there were issues, especially with us, moving to the officer ranks. The Army adopted the AF policy, so the AF and the Army are the same. From what I remember, the AF had the strictest policy.
They have to get married or end the relationship is the final answer.
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Don't listen to half of these bathroom lawyers. It's your life bro, do what makes you happy. If you love that person who is to say who you can and cannot love. If they are in your direct chain of command then I would keep it low key but other than that who gives a shit
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True, I agree that you should do what you want....but...had a friend of mine prior service, now at the time she was a Captain...she married the guy she was seeing, Sergeant First Class, this happen in 2014...she was released from the Army at 18 years of service. He's still in. Their marriage lasted a year...go figure.
Do what you want, but beware the consequences.
Do what you want, but beware the consequences.
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I recall one relationship in particular during the mid 80's where a couple who had grown up together, went to school and graduated. They had planned to get married right after college. one went on to become a Navy Officer and the other and Enlisted Marine after they graduated from the university. They actually saught and were given an audiance with the then Commandant of the Marine Corps Al Grey. Now I have no idea what took place during that meeting, I can say that they left the commandants office happy and a short time later the couple married.
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Yes it does! A good way to end up in Leavenworth for 10 years. If you are caught dating the penalties are severe. IF you aren't caught until you are married there is no prosecution but I know many a commander that booted the officer out of their command. Your career is over
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I really doubt anyone's going to Leavenworth for any days let alone years for fraternization. Bradley/Chelsea Manning will wind up serving, if memory serves, less than ten years for willfully handing out truckloads of classified data.
I'd go so far as to say I guarantee nobody's going to prison for fraternizing.
I'd go so far as to say I guarantee nobody's going to prison for fraternizing.
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Perception is everything. It does not have to be true, if it is perceived to be true.
That's not what should be, but that's human nature, particularly when dealing with the masses.
That's not what should be, but that's human nature, particularly when dealing with the masses.
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I recall another incident in the late 80's where a Marine Captain Aviator type stationed at MCAS El Toro, was briefly dating a female he believed was a civilian only to discover she was was a Marine NCO. He immediately ceased the relationship and reported-it to his command. Supposedly the guy was a no kidding top gun maverick type....an aviator warrior and no kidding outstanding Marine officer and still the command leadership took his wings and commision from him.......
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........and now he's coming up on his 27th anniversary of not getting laid and lost his wings to boot. Bummer.
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If I remember correctly, it does not because it deals with being in the same chain of command. I don't feel that it should because it is 2 differant branches.
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In the original question, Common Sense (which I will agree is not really common anymore) should look at the original reason for the "Frat Reg"and the Chain of Command aspect only... obviously it is missing. Undue influence and appearance of favoritism is recognizably absent in the stated facts of the question to any qualified observer. However as stated above not all Commanders are Leaders and thus Common Sence is no longer the rule of "Justice"
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