Posted on Feb 21, 2016
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Say a soon to be Air Force Officer and current enlisted Marine have a pre-existing relationship, but one is enlisted and the other will be an officer soon. Does fraternization cross between branches? I saw this on Facebook, and didn't know the answer.
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PFC Shawn West
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While I was at Fort Stewart, I was married, while not legally separated, my wife was in Oklahoma and I was in single soldier barracks. I started dating a girl, who, eventually, I discovered, was married to an NCO in another Brigade and he was at NTC when her and I met. I was told by some friends that I'd end up getting in trouble for adultery, etc. After I found out she was married, I contacted her husband myself, who was also am MP as it turned out. He appreciated me approaching him before he knew a thing and went on to tell me that they were married but at that point it was more of a money thing than a relationship. She ended up being an absolute psycho though and fortunately, I was about to ETS. I ended the relationship by saying, "Hey, I don't think we can see each other anymore." When she asked why, I told her I had ETS'd and was back home in Kansas.
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MAJ Infantry Officer
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That's very blue falcon of you. Yes, it's just a joke.
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SSG Senior Paralegal Nco
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AR 600-20 4-14 (2) (b)
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PO3 Michael James
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PFC Coffey, Sir.. I will apologize before hand.. TRUE love and Affection knows NO Boundaries..
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SSG Senior Paralegal Nco
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Manual for courts martial ar 134 fraternization is define and outlined and the MCM governs all branches of the military. Also AR 600-20 army command policy outlines improper relationships. Yes you do have one year to marry once com missed. There is no grandfathering once someone in the relationship commissions. it is 1 year to the date of commission. Or the relationship must end.
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PVT Raymond Lopez
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No, not if they are not in your chain of command. Of course, I do know a former Marine capatin who divorced his exwife because she was promoted to major before he was!!
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MAJ Jeffrey Frankart
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Yes. There are plenty of assignments where they could work in the same command and theoretically, one could end up working for another or being able to influence.
For a married couple, the command will know and take these things into account when making assignments/rater assignments, but you can't expect every command to accommodate every couple who might have the hots for each other and getting cozy in the corner.
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CAPT Hiram Patterson
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When I was first commissioned in the Navy in 1983, I don't think it mattered that much. But later it certainly did, especially when the big push for Joint Commands came along. Even if both parties were in different services and in fields where they would never serve together, it was prohibited. When I was on Okinawa in 85-86 one of our male LTs and the CO's driver who was an E-3 went off to Guam and got married. The XO was pissed but nothing ever came of it. Later in Long Beach one of our female LT's dated an E-5 and went off to Las Vegas and got married. Never heard much about it from the command. You will get hit these days for any fraternization.
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CPL Information Technology Specialist
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The PFC answer is: "Is she hot?"

In all seriousness, I think the issue would be that of the officer, not the enlisted. I also would think it would vary greatly with the command. Ultimately, it would only become an issue if the enlisted person involved made an issue of it (possibly after the fact) or the officer's command staff. In either case I would think it would be up to the officer to check with her chain of command (assuming she has a good report).
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PVT Raymond Lopez
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Well I do know a Senator who is a Light Colonel and has a retired Airborne Ranger Sergent Major for a husband she is hot and she knows how to castrate pigs!!
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SSgt Military Police
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Yes it does per ar 600-20.
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SSgt Military Police
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However, like the others state, it's a matter of getting married before commission, etc. I know of a Col. And a MSG that are married, but the col. was a ssg when they got married.
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Thank you, Sir. The fraternization policy is a bit grey. I always erred on the side of caution and advised against it simply because we're a small world in the guard and at one point or another there's a very good chance you'll either be serving above or under those within the state.
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PO3 Rich Barker
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I dated an Air Force Officer who I met far from command so it wasn’t a problem plus I never discussed my personal life with anyone especially the squids at my command
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