Posted on Apr 9, 2016
Does it make sense that different ranks pay different prices for the same house?
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I have lived on-post at my last two duty stations; Ft. Benning, GA and the illustrious Ft. Polk, LA. While the quality of housing has "varied" , my family has always enjoyed the convenience and community feeling of living on post. That being said, it always struck me as crazy that a SGT living in the same layout house on the same street as a SFC is charged significantly less for the same house.
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They pay less because their BAH rate is less. No real math involved. I always listen to people crying about this. if you are not happy with the pay rate/quality of your housing, which you are paying the same proportionality for as the junior guy, look off post. Pay the utilities and all other fees involved. I pay 3,600 (BAH) per month for a house on base, but don't have any other fees. I personally have never seen a SGT pay less than their BAH rate for the same house that a SFC lives in. I doubt that I would see a SGT even living anywhere near even junior officer, housing so that isn't even a part of the equation. So, unless base pay is commensurate, BAH rate should reflect this. Yes, it makes sense. The only real complaints should be coming from the privatized housing folks.
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SGM Mike Barbieri
I would offer that the government is paying, not you. In the past, housing was nowhere near what you have now. A junior soldier wouldn't be able to afford housing of the same quality without adding money out of pocket. Under the privatized housing agreement and the rates the government has contracted, your BAH subsidizes that of the junior members, which allows them a better quality of living.
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SGT Felicia King
The MSG is right, soldiers crying about a bunch of stuff nowadays. Different army, that's what he is referencing. I should be surprised that a SPC is living next to a LTC, but I guess with the new army I'm not. At Bragg they kept them in different communities on post. Maybe it's a new housing rule. [me rolling my eyes at the new army bullshit]
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SGT Felicia King
MAJ (Join to see) - Benning is special with special people I'm thinking. That's news to me. It's always been according to BAH which goes by your rank. At Bragg and the Germany post I was at it was according to rank. My accountable officer (warrant) did not like living in officers quarters after getting a divorce because she had to put up with the snotty officers wives. But I tell you what, the stories were hilarious. Nothing like talking shit about officers stuck up wives. Especially when they treat other officer wives like shit.
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It still sounds better than it used to be when quarters for single soldiers were real dumps and you couldn't get a BAH at all if there was anywhere available on base no matter what it was. If you chose to live off base you paid 100% right out of your pocket. Even single officers and lower ranking NCOs with families got dumps. They were just starting to build new units and they pretty well went by rank. Most of the older housing was left over from the WWII days.
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It has been like that since the privatization of managing the housing. Since it only goes off the size of your family now, unlike when the Army managed it, using DoD civilians, and rank played into the decision. The new management just wants to keep the units filled, so they took out a few of the factors to ease the process. On post housing has never really been fair, though. My opinion is that On post housing should be managed just like any other rental agency would do it. If I want to live in a house more expensive than my BAH will cover (or less), I should be able to decide that. The price of the housing should be tied to its value and not the BAH rate. But, that won't happen because the agency makes more money keeping them full and and limiting their admin costs.
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Part of the reason I won't live on post again. I was stationed on Fort Benning for four and a half years, paying full 2LT BAH at first then full CPT BAH when I left. Same house, 600 dollar difference in BAH. Never again.
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CPT (Join to see)
I remember being so pissed when the housing began to be run by a civilian agency and I could then see on my LES that I was paying rent and it went up when I got promoted! I mean, what rental agency raises the rent because I got a raise?! That's crazy!
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RHIP! Rank has the privilege of paying more because you are paid more. I personally feel the BAH rate should be reverses 180 degrees...
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MAJ (Join to see)
By your logic, Bill Gates should pay more for a Big Mac at McDonalds than a janitor simply because he makes more money; even though both he and the janitor are getting the same product. Put another way, if the price you paid for everything was based off how much money you make, then there would be no point in trying to make more money, because everything would just even out. This is a system known as Communism.
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I see some of the same issues still are questioned these days. I could always understand that housing and meals were all part of the total compensation package and the difference being the enticement to make the Army a career and advance. Good on an installation if the housing is "worth" the amount the soldier reimburses the Army for providing on post housing. Not all did in the past and some apparently have not caught up. I also support the idea that on post housing areas do need to be according to rank. I did not support the concept of mixed neighborhoods. I explained it this way: When you begin to work for IBM in the mailroom the wages you make might allow you to live in a run down trailer park. As you receive advancements and promotions with raises over the years, your income allows you a higher standard of living. The neighborhoods you live in will generally reflect the same medium income and status. As you become senior in the corporation and maybe even a VP or CEO, you will have a standard of living worthy of your status. I always advocated for proper standard of housing for all ranks. But, I never was ashamed to tell privates that if they soldiered well and advanced through the ranks in their career, they too will reap the fruits of their labor. Bottom Line: Living in housing, your reimburse the Army the money they pay you to live off post. That pay is dependent on your pay grade. If the post housing is all brand new and therefore equal........ good for the installation.
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It doesn't make sense if they took every penny for BAH and the quarters aren't worth every penny either! Especially in Ft Polk. Some of those homes in Maple and Dogwood are so old and outdated it's a crying shame they try to take all 1263.00 from a W2 with dependents!
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In my humble opinion, neither are paying anything for quarters. If you live off post the Army pays you by rank to find housing that they do not have to maintain. You can live in the same type, or dollar value if you choose.
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I would assume it have something to do with your BAH allowance. I'm pretty sure you as a SGT do not get the same as the SFC. Just my take on it though.
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