Posted on Feb 17, 2016
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Does the doctrine that Infantry train by, need to be updated for the coming changes to the ranks?
Personally I believe they should work just fine the way they are. I realize this subject of integration has a lot of sides to it. This is only about the standards to which we train and prepare our soldiers. If the typical grunt is going to weigh 250-300 pounds with ruck, kit, weapons, ammo, and everything; should that and all other requirements and standards be unisex in their application and the expectations. This is assuming a female Infantry school graduation within current requirements. Ladies, I encourage your input on this. Infantry leaders, I am curious of your opinions here. How do we implement those changes if needed.
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Is this really a question? Standards are standards for a reason. Not simply because some asshole somewhere, a long time ago, wanted to make it difficult for "certain people". It's because the JOB itself is difficult, and you must be able to maintain at, at least, the bottom of the barrel to stay in that job! I'm sorry, but all this political correctness crap is simply ridiculous. Now let's get into the physiological and anatomical side of things here. "Certain people" are just not MADE/created/built/whatever other word you want to use, to physically stand up to rigors of this job....11series MOS's. Now I will agree that, "certain people", the sex that has classically performed these duties, can't perform them to the standard either, and those people should be removed from that role and someone who can put in their place! Standards are standards are standards! Now, if "certain people" can operate at the level that is REQUIRED of these combat mos's then by all means welcome them with open arms and allow them into your units, nothin wrong with that! But diluting the standards just for the sake of being "politically correct" is preposterous and absurd and will lead to many many many issues!
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SGT Jonathon Caldwell
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CPT Pedro Meza - I know I cant move that fast in sandals. The majority of the world would bust their ass doing it.
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CPT Pedro Meza
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SGT Jonathon Caldwell - Taliban drove green Hilux Pick Ups, except for the ones that walked.
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i would further argue that it is not only preposterous and absurd, it's dangerous. the gear carried isn't done so for the amusement of those carrying it.
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SSG (Join to see) - The gear is useful and has a place and purpose.. No one is denying that fact. Just saying it would be nice to get to ride a little more often .. bring back horses.. lol
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Well just so everyone is aware. We are testing out a new program in Infantry OSUT. This is in addition to the normal things. A Soldier must be able to pull up a 150lb duffle in a way that simulates pulling someone out the hatch of a Bradley. They must be able to move a 250lb duffle more than 10-15 meters simulating moving a casualty. They must be able to screw in a Bradley 25mm barrel. The 12 mile ruck will be closer to 70lbs with the iotv on as well. We will be testing this and maybe a few more things in a few weeks. Rumor has it the first Drill to an Infantry OSUT company will be here next month and the first trainees around june-august.
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SGM Billy Herrington
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Message me your email on here and I'll send it to you tomorrow. It's starting with Infantry. It will be across all MOS's eventually. Armor proponent has their first VTC next week on it.
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Rather have them try a rip a feeder off a 25mm. That sucker is like 90lbs and you don't get a helper for that
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SFC Management
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MAJ Dave Brady oh it can be done Sir. I'm looking more towards a safety stand point on it. I've seen Soldiers try and almost lose their balance and take a header off of the Bradley.
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Lol MAJ Dave Brady I've been "crawling" around on Bradley's since 1994. Besides the assorted Bradley "bites" I've been lucky. Yes I've been guilty of some of the more un safe practices, and consider myself lucky. I did see 1 Soldier literally get his hand crushed dropping a feeder on his hand.

Then again I'm sure we could start a whole new thread on Bradley safe and not so safe acts.....lol
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I suppose that it is not politically correct for me to say so, but it is accurate to say that there are physiological differences between the male and female anatomy. Gasp! True! This point came home to me when I sailed tall ships. Brigs. Barks. Topsail schooners. That sort of thing. We had men and women on the crews. Guess what. The men and women had different strengths. Women actually excelled at climbing masts. They have good lower body strength and a lower center of gravity. This helps when standing on ropes while working on sails that hang from horizontal spars. However, when it came to furling heaving canvas sails or hauling lines to raise spars that weighed a ton or more or setting the sails with little mechanical advantage, the men excelled because they have greater upper body strength. If you reached this far into my comment, I thank you for your patience. So what does this have to do with the infantry? Well, infantrymen (no, I refused to say infantrypersons) need all kinds of strengths. Yes, women can be trained hand-to-hand combat skills to overcome a man's advantage in upper body strength, but what happens when she's confronted with a man with great upper body strength and is well trained in hand-to-hand combat. I think she's going to die or some male comrade is going to have to take risks to save her. Of course, as my platoon sergeant in BCT said, when you run out of ammunition, go find more ammunition. Thus, maybe a female infantryman may never engage in hand-to-hand combat. (Right?) How about marksmanship? (No, I'm not going to say markspersonship either) Annie Oakley's marksmanship is legendary. I knew people who had seen her perform. One doctor claimed that she could stare at the sun for ten minutes, then blow out bullseyes on targets without waiting for her eyes to recover. Fascinating! Can all women do that? Of course not. But how about those Kurdish women who are blowing out the brains of ISIS terrorists without looking at the sun? If I were an infantry commander these days and my command was coed, I'd make damn sure that I knew each individual's strengths and weaknesses and employ them to the best advantage of each. But, isn't that what we do with all male infantry units already?
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