Posted on Jun 21, 2018
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I just received my first bad NCOER after 17 years in the Army. To be honest it was a bit harsh and my rater and I really did not get along. I believe that he purposely sabotaged my clearance over a small issue that removed me from my position. I feel I did not meet his expectations in some areas, and I had one issue with my clearance that has temporary removed me from my position (failing to report a marriage). I did not get a RFC, but I receive 2 bad bullets and my senior rater who never once spoke to me gave me an unqualified. I am scared I will lose my career right as my time is winding down. Can anyone tell me does the QMP board look at this NCOER as stand alone, or will they take my whole career into account. I am very scared about losing my career, and I am hoping that the Army will allow me to recover from this.

My last 2 NCOERS praised me very well, higly qualified and among the best. I am at my ropes end with my current unit, since leadership went behind my back while I was in SLC to make all of this happen, I was given no way to defend my self in any of this.
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Even if you come down on QMP you can always send back a rebuttal to show why you should not be discharged.

I came down on QMP last year (2017) because I hadn't done SLC within 3 years TIG. I had to defer it because my daughter has had serious medical issues. I got a memo that stated I came up on QMP and what my options were. You select either you want to rebut it or you will take what they have and be discharged. If you do rebut it, you send in all supporting documentation you can. I sent in doctors letters, the deferment paperwork, and letters from current and prior leadership as to why I should stay and that as soon as her condition improved I would go to SLC. They allowed me to stay and I went to SLC this year since she had her transplant in October last year (I was going to go either way).

I don't know exactly what QMP looks at and if they're hell bent on getting people out since we aren't drawing down anymore.

If you come down on QMP you rebut it and give reasons and proof why you shouldn't be kicked out. However, I don't see how what you said it is all on your rater or senior rater or leadership. You fully admit you failed to report a marriage and that caused clearance issues. That is on you. If you didn't meet rater expectations...it is saying something that if you never have talked to your senior rater how they can rate you.

You will just have to wait and see what happens I think. I don't know that anyone can predict what will happen.
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You’re an Intel guy and you failed to report a marriage. If it was to a foreign national that’s a big failure. So being removed from your position causes a couple of issues. First, you’re not available to work, second, you cause a security threat. If I was the 2 I would have slammed you too. But, your saving grace is that when you hit 18 years you will be locked into sanctuary, if you apply. So just make it to 18 and you should be good for retirement if that is what you are looking for. Appeal till you hit 18. If that doesn’t work join the Reserves or Guard to finish out. But really, I’m not sure how you thought you were going to defend against the facts? The DOD and Army policy is very clear. If you were in my shop I would have removed you permanently to show the other team members the seriousness of your mistake. QMP looks at everything but I’m sure this evaluation will be weighted heavy. Good luck.
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Good advice sir!
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SFC Collection Manager
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So Ironically I went to the 8th Army G2 (since I worked in the G2 at Humphreys right before the transition) to report the foreign contact, but the SSO or SSR there told me that since she was already in the US as a permanent resident and green card holder she was considered a US Person and I did not need to report her. She is a originally form the Philippians and has been living in the states and working on FT Huachuca well before I met her, so its not like I met her overseas. I went off some bad advice from who I thought the experts were.
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The Col advice above is wrong. QMP can and definitely will separate you after 18 years! The sanctuary law does not apply with QMP.
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Praying for you, Staff Sergeant Bozo, that your whole career might be taken into consideration. - Margaret C. Higgins U.S. Army Retired
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Does the QMP board look at one bad NCOER as stand alone, or will they take a whole career into account?
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I don't think "unqualified" will get you QMP'd. I guess it all depends on what the MILPER message states. Typically every year they are looking for different criteria to kick Soldiers out. I assume it all depends on how many they want out that year. If you are notified that you are being considered for QMP, go see JAG immediately and start your appeal. I wouldn't wait though, go submit your first appeal now, before your notified of QMP. You should submit your first one to evaluation branch. Try to get it out of your records. They can replace it with a memo of non rated time. If you are notified by HRC that you are being considered for QMP, then you will have to submit an additional appeal to the QMP board. I have seen appeals go both ways. Good luck. Don't sit around and wait. Get proactive versus reactive.
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I have handled many QMP notices and results over the last three years. The cases I have seen like yours where there was one negative NCOER, and it was not for a lack of character or integrity, plus there are other NCOER with good remarks, the QMP board kept the SM.
Another thing to consider, is that if you are at 18.5 years when you receive your notification you will be allowed to retire.
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SSG Mark Franzen
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I think that anyone who has served the dam country over 16 years deserves to retire as well ! that is my the way I feel I could 12 yrs or less but 16 yrs is a long time and get royal screwing like that is just flat ass wrong.
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In answer to your initial question, the QMP board takes a holistic approach. They have to look at everything in your record and whatever you submit in your rebuttal memo and other documentation. In regards to your NCOER, have you looked in AR 623-3 under the chapter where that discusses the appeal process? I highly recommend that you do so. I appealed an NCOER and I won my appeal, and HRC corrected my NCOER. As I'm sure you know that everything in the Army is a process and if you do your research and you have your ducks in a row, you will be victorious. The first thing you need to do is go to JAG with your NCOER and have an attorney look it over. From submission to the result it took about 3 months for my appeal to go through and be resolved. Hope this helps!
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
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You said you were an intell guy who married a foreign national. You did not say if she was from a hostile country or ally. I also married a foreign national, but I contacted CCF and asked for the steps and what I needed to do. Seems like I was the first one to go through that process with the SSO. I took that to read I was the first in 50 plus years who had a close continous relationship with a Korean. Or as a PFC in my office put it, I was the first to get L in Korea.... If you were a civilian, you would be unemployed. I was trying to prevent that. If you married a hostile power's citizen....you are the intelligence specialist....should you be in the Army.
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So Ironically I went to the 8th Army G2 (since I worked in the G2 at Humphreys right before the transition) to report the foreign contact, but the SSO or SSR there told me that since she was already in the US as a permanent resident and green card holder she was considered a US Person and I did not need to report her. She is a originally form the Philippians and has been living in the states and working on FT Huachuca well before I met her, so its not like I met her overseas. I went off some bad advice from who I thought the experts were.
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
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SFC (Join to see) sounds like you have a good rebuttal. Get that rebuttal done and re request your clearance.
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
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SFC (Join to see) Can you get a statement from the SSO? That would be gold.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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First, did you apeal? As for one bad NCOER, does it reflect the loss of clearance? If yes then it could be reviewed very harshly. If not then one bad is not the nail, necessarily. They do look at your entire jacket. Were you referred by your command to QMP or notified by HRC? At any rate you just graduated school, you say you have a stellar record. Submit a letter to the board whil appealing to your COC. Good luck, thank you for your service.
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SSG Mark Franzen
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I just wish someone would understand how I got screwed because of some person left my appeal on his desk and made it late so the post commander saw that it was late so he recommend to the board not to approve it after I got the Highest IG inspection in the 3rd Id At Harvey Barracks in 1990.
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I knew two SSG's who were put on the QMP list. Both had gotten DUI's while SSG's. Otherwise, their careers had been solid, if not exceptional. One is now a SFC, the other is a SSG (P) waiting for an SLC slot.
I know one former SFC who got QMP'ed. He got an "Army Values" NO. He had a verified as in,"What kind of special program did you come in under?" EO complaint. He is now a civilian.
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SFC Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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The Army goes back and forth on their policy for that. Very often it is up to the Post Commander. Many have a "zero tolerance for idiocy" mind set. Some consider the "characterization of entire service".
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SSG Mark Franzen
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I just believe that you you had a bad EER the reason I say that I had one or two but I think one now that I think about it and my 16.5 years gone and no retirement and got nothing I live to tell I got seveirly screwed and I always loved the Army and Enjoyed it.Wish I could get my Retirement. Good luck at least you can Retire.
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*NCOER

Also not sure what the rest of your post is trying to say.
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SSG Mark Franzen
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What I am trying to say is that I got Screwed badly and it still today hurts real bad wish I could go back into the U S Army and Fine those scum bags that ruined my career.
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