Posted on May 23, 2019
Does time spent as a Green to Gold Active duty cadet count as enlisted time for OE pay?
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I am about to graduate and commission in 2 weeks through Green to Gold active duty option. Does those two years count towards my enlisted time period for me to get OE pay? Asking because I will have 3 years 11 months TIS is those two years are not counted.
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Army ROTC
Green to Gold
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When you Commission and arrive to your first unit your time in service will be all jacked up. It's completely normal for prior service accessions. Go see your career counselor and they'll get your pay entry date fixed. If you're lucky you'll have a squared away MPD who will fix it during inprocessing.
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2LT (Join to see) your answer starts on pages 1-6 and 1-11 of the FMR.
Creditable Service: "10. Service as a member of the Army, Navy, or Air Force Reserve Officers’ Training Corps (ROTC), provided the member has concurrent Selected Reserve (drilling status) for duty performed on or after August 1, 1979;"
Recommend you spend a little time reading this as you may have to go through your chain in case Finance doesn't get it on the first go round.
https://www.dfas.mil/militarymembers/payentitlements/Pay-Tables/Basic-Pay/CO_FE.html
The FMR https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/current/07a/07a_01.pdf
Edited: I re read your original post. You appear to be 1 month short. If you did not have SMP time, you are out of luck. See if you find something different in the regulation, link attached. Look hard at how the creditable service is computed. Especially if you were DEP or Reserve Component. You are so close, ask for it and let them tell you no.
Creditable Service: "10. Service as a member of the Army, Navy, or Air Force Reserve Officers’ Training Corps (ROTC), provided the member has concurrent Selected Reserve (drilling status) for duty performed on or after August 1, 1979;"
Recommend you spend a little time reading this as you may have to go through your chain in case Finance doesn't get it on the first go round.
https://www.dfas.mil/militarymembers/payentitlements/Pay-Tables/Basic-Pay/CO_FE.html
The FMR https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/current/07a/07a_01.pdf
Edited: I re read your original post. You appear to be 1 month short. If you did not have SMP time, you are out of luck. See if you find something different in the regulation, link attached. Look hard at how the creditable service is computed. Especially if you were DEP or Reserve Component. You are so close, ask for it and let them tell you no.
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SFC (Join to see)
Actually the creditable service for him will count because he was on active duty. The ROTC refers to the members under scholarship or the non scholarship who aren't enrolled in SMP.
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LTC Jason Mackay
SFC (Join to see) - I have never heard of ROTC time counting unless they were concurrently enlisted. I hope this is the case for the soldier's sake. He's so close.
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LTC Jason Mackay in the case of active duty option he is concurrently enlisted. Honestly, figuring out which portions of officer time are creditable for which pay is one of the most difficult parts of my job. I've spent hours digging through the FMR working on officer cases because that thing is so broad.
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That's an interesting question I hadn't encountered before, I honestly.don't know...maybe you could call.DFAS.on their toll.free.line and ask,.or.ask your ROTC.senior facukty, perhaps?.I'd seen you'd mentioned DFAS.where you'd sent this thread they have a toll.free,.ive.seen it,.look.it up, call.tjem, and ask to.soeak.with a supervisor and/or.manager, im.sure you could.get the question referred for an answer...alsk, what MOS and branch are you going for?.Are you doing grad school.immediately?.Look up USAF AFIT, and Naval.Postcard School (NPS), youre.allowed to.submit for both as Army for your masters.and PhD, though you'd likely need to do a cop of tours as a company grader first to have a chance...also.submit for military Rhodes scholar, OK? What grades? GPAs? STEM.and non-STEM.coursework have you done this far? Any flight interests, whether pilot.or navigator? Possibly rotary or.fixed wing? Clinical.interests? Hobbies,.reading tastes, sports.esp.martial arts.if any? I have an interest in career/educ stuff, that's why I always ask those things, if he most eager to hear more, hope that was all of.some use and/or interest, OK?
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I was a combination AD/Reserve cycling back and forth during the 'Nam years. Turned out the disbursing side botched it and I had to go a BCNR route to get it locked into O-1E. Two years in total passed by the time everything got fixed. Then the local disbursing officer refused to cut me a check as "No O-1 should have that much money all at once." Had to do a Request Mast to get that idiot fixed. Creditable service for the OE stuff has been around a long time and I'm glad the FM states it better nowadays. Welcome to O'Dom. Be a good Mustanger.
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If you were prior service active duty and went green to gold, you remain on active status while attending school they’ll count.
In the end aside from a small increase in BAH it’s irrelevant so long as you get finance to account for your prior service years (this took me a full year to get fixed you’ll need all your once you commission).
If you look at for example a CPT who has O3E pay, and with let’s say 4 years prior, so he now has 8 years once he pins as a brand new captain. The pay amount for a CPT at 8 years regardless of E status is the same. I was in your boat with only 3 years, but they still count for my time in service.
In the end aside from a small increase in BAH it’s irrelevant so long as you get finance to account for your prior service years (this took me a full year to get fixed you’ll need all your once you commission).
If you look at for example a CPT who has O3E pay, and with let’s say 4 years prior, so he now has 8 years once he pins as a brand new captain. The pay amount for a CPT at 8 years regardless of E status is the same. I was in your boat with only 3 years, but they still count for my time in service.
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2LT (Join to see)
Thank you for the response sir. I was active duty prior to getting picked up through G2G and have been ever since. In fact, when I hit 4 years TIS while in school, my E5 pay did go up. So it does seem like it will count for pay purpose.
Thank you again for taking time responding sir. Much appreciated.
Thank you again for taking time responding sir. Much appreciated.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
irrelevant in pay? If you commission with 4 year TIS, it's over 800 a month difference at an O1E and you keep that 4 year advantage for your entire career. At least through Captain, prior service don't max out the grade as quick either. Getting the TIS right has some significant financial rewards.
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I was making that same point, it’s just difficult to explain. I highlighted in the photo a brand new 2LT with 3 prior years prior service makes the same as a O1E. A captain (assuming you pin 4 years after commission) who had 3 years prior service without E status on his pay makes the same as a Captain with O3E. Both have the same amount of years total making the E status is irrelevant. It’s simply getting finance to account for your prior years in service that matters.
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CPT (Join to see)
The only time that really begins to affect pay is after the 14 year mark when pay increase isn’t capped for O3E
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