Posted on Dec 1, 2013
Does wearing just one piece of a uniform equal being out of uniform?
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I was at the gym with my soldier and he was wearing his army PT shirt with civilian shorts. When we were about to leave a SGT from another unit told him that he was violating regs. The PFC tried to explain that he was not in uniform because he was only wearing the shirt. The SGT again said it is out of regs. I came to my soldiers defense and asked the SGT if there was a local regulation about PT wear. The SGT asked me if I was backtalking him. I said no SGT I was asking for clarification if he wanted us to look it up in AR 670-1 or if there was a local ordinance. He said look up AR 670-1, we know that our soldier was not doing anything wrong because we had looked this up before. What are your oppinions on this. I see many SGT vaguely citing regs and not knowing the exact wording of the reg itself.
Posted 12 y ago
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Was he out of uniform by wearing his IPFU shirt with civilian gym style shorts? That depends on the "intent" or like the CW2 said, the time of day but it also needs to mentioned whether are not he was on personal time. Other than that, I found this:
14–4. Occasions for wear
The PFU and the IPFU are authorized for wear on and off duty, on and off the installation, when authorized by the
commander. Soldiers may wear all or part of the PFU or IPFU with civilian attire off the installation, when authorized by the commander.
AR 670-1, 3 Feb 2005.
Well that's what the reg says.
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Give it benefit of doubt, follow along, see what Reg says. I would say avoid the hassle and bring along another shirt . That easy..
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Seen that happen before and it's happened to me. Local/ Base Policy or your Commanders discretion. Or stand at parade rest and Roger that.
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Just seems a bit petty, but regs are regs... I would of told the soldier to just take off the shirt... That is one of the things that irks me about regs. It's a friggin t-shirt people! Stateside always sucked for spit shine, dog and pony crap. Sorry but let's focus on REAL issues...
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First, "back talking" is for children and teenagers. We are professionals, we do not use phrases or words like that with our subordinates. Using such phrases or words shows a lack of a proper military vocabulary. I can't take leaders seriously when they speak like that with Soldiers. Second, unless I know where the regulation is exactly and I can almost repeat it I am going to keep on walking. Obviously some rules and regulations are easy like boot strings hanging out of the boots or untucked shirts.
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We are making this harder than it needs to be. The best way to mitigate any confrontation is always be 100% in the "right." Too many individuals looking to skirt regulation guidlines based on their interpretation.
The real question is: why even chance it? Did your Soldier have no other shirt? Do you know your post's policies regarding uniform wear in on-post gyms?
My recommendation for a situation so trivial is to back up the other NCO. Since you posted the question, clearly you're not 100%.
Ii applaud your efforts to support your Soldier. However, in this instance, your actions could be interpreted as undermining an NCO senior to the situation. Next time, walk up to the situation and say, "roger, we will correct it."
Trying to better interpret a regulation or command policy with another NCO is an action you handle one-on-one; certainly not in front of subordinates.
The real question is: why even chance it? Did your Soldier have no other shirt? Do you know your post's policies regarding uniform wear in on-post gyms?
My recommendation for a situation so trivial is to back up the other NCO. Since you posted the question, clearly you're not 100%.
Ii applaud your efforts to support your Soldier. However, in this instance, your actions could be interpreted as undermining an NCO senior to the situation. Next time, walk up to the situation and say, "roger, we will correct it."
Trying to better interpret a regulation or command policy with another NCO is an action you handle one-on-one; certainly not in front of subordinates.
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I would do just about anything to never wear the PT or any part of the PT uniform ever again. Least functional, least user friendly athletic apperal I have ever worn.
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That sucks cause I wear tan shirts all around my house, yard, and running to the store. Pt shirts too.lol. People don't think I'm in the army anyways lol. I do it on base though
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I have worn non serviceable PT shorts with a civilian shirt at a gym on post but I think that is different.
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I think if it's army issued you should not be able to wear it outside of work... Unless specifics with recruiting or a special assignment like that.
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