Posted on Dec 1, 2013
Does wearing just one piece of a uniform equal being out of uniform?
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I was at the gym with my soldier and he was wearing his army PT shirt with civilian shorts. When we were about to leave a SGT from another unit told him that he was violating regs. The PFC tried to explain that he was not in uniform because he was only wearing the shirt. The SGT again said it is out of regs. I came to my soldiers defense and asked the SGT if there was a local regulation about PT wear. The SGT asked me if I was backtalking him. I said no SGT I was asking for clarification if he wanted us to look it up in AR 670-1 or if there was a local ordinance. He said look up AR 670-1, we know that our soldier was not doing anything wrong because we had looked this up before. What are your oppinions on this. I see many SGT vaguely citing regs and not knowing the exact wording of the reg itself.
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<span style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248);">670-1</span><div style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248);">paragraph 3-9</div><div style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248);"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248);"><div>g. Uniform items authorized for wear with civilian clothing by males are restricted to the gold cuff links, studs, tie</div><div>bar, mourning band, footwear, socks, gloves, undergarments, black bow-tie, wool scarf, all-weather coat, fleece caps,</div><div>and physical training uniforms.</div><div>h. Uniform items authorized for wear with civilian clothing by females are restricted to the white shirt without</div><div>insignia of grade, footwear, gloves, handbag, clutch purse, wool scarf, all-weather coat, fleece caps, and physical</div><div>training uniforms.</div></div>
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Too many uniform police. As other responders have mentioned, policies vary from post to post. Either one policy for all or just let it go.
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SFC (Join to see)
That's what wrong with the army today and NCOs not informing young soldier on standards! That's a lazy answer
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SFC (Join to see)
No the problem is the army having hundreds of uniforms and standards. When I came in the army things like that was clear cut black and white
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I sometime wear the PT shorts (with the liner cut out of course because it sucks) with civilian exercise gear. Basically because most civilian shorts come down to my shins and because if...IF...you can find them on sale at Dick's they cost $30. that being said, it's up to the post commander to authorize mix and match when wearing the IPFU. General rule of thumb, when in doubt, if you are wearing part of the IPFU wear it all, including the dang reflective belt.
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You have to look at different things though. It might not be in an Army Regulation but I am sure it is stated somewhere. The last couple of units I have been in have what is called the Blue Book. It is a book of additional standard that Soldiers in that Unit must follow. Remember a Leader can always add to but not take away. Here at JBLM we have the 7th ID blue book. It states in there you can not mix civilian and military attire. It also states that you cant take off your blouse while driving in a POV or wear a ball cap.
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I'm cheap. I always wear my Army running shorts when running. I don't wear the IPFU shirts because then I would be in uniform, have to tuck it in, shave, etc. However, those shorts (and the pants) are awesome for civilian use, and I use the heck out of them. I even stocked up while deployed so that I would have a lot on the side. The regulation is clear: we can mix and match PT gear. I'm happy to do so. <div><br></div><div>Now, were I RA, and were I on a post which specifically banned such mixing and matching, then so be it. I would suck it up, and buy two or three pairs of running shorts at a stupid expensive price. </div>
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I have a pair of flame retardant (FR) ACU pants that I took to a Taylor to modify into shorts. Now I have something that looks like I purchased from a store such as Clothing and Sales. Does anyone think that is out of line? If you do it does not make me a terrible NCO. That might be someone personal belief or ethics which are not to be confused with what is regulated.
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CW3 (Join to see)
Why didn't you take them to a tailor instead? You might have gotten better service. ;)
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Cpl Robert Clark
Sgt, I remember in Desert Shield/Desert Storm that is was sooooo hot that we would cut our cammie bottoms into shorts, just below the pockets... I noticed not too long after returning, the change in shorts for men... suddenly they were all "cargo" shorts and too many had a F'd up camo pattern... In my arrogant opinion, as Chick Hern (the late great announcer for the LA Lakers) used to say, "No Harm, No Foul."
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Wearing a pair of blue jeans and a military shirt (blouse) is being out of uniform.If you wear a uniform item, I think it must be a complete ensemble of that uniform. I believe you are even out of uniform if you do not wear your rank insignia. Now I think unit SOP states that if there is an activity that requires a mixed uniform item such as PT shirt, uniform pants and boots, or sneakers it is authorized. The Army or Navy regs or Marine regs will state what is authorized.
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